Announcement PH Beta → Check it out! Click Me! (you might be see "unsafe", but it is safe)
Pack93z
  • Pack93z
  • Select Member Topic Starter
15 years ago
What an afternoon it would be to hear some of the stories he could tell.. much like those that played ball in the past.. filling in the real gems of the history you don't often read about.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/golf/52477747.html 

Salem - His hands are old and weathered but still look beautiful when they form a grip on a golf club. His swing is short in both directions, but the ball still flies straight and true and surprisingly far.

Fred Hawkins, 85, wears a back brace when he plays now. He has suffered two fractured vertebrae in the last year, one while swinging a club.

"I don't have a golf game anymore," he tells old friends who stop to greet him at Spring Valley Country Club, just over the Wisconsin border from his boyhood home in Antioch, Ill. "I just kind of walk around out there."

Don't let him fool you.

Hawkins shot an 80 from the forward tees on Monday, including an estimated double-bogey on a par-5 when he picked up after hitting his third shot into a pond. The rest was legit, including several deft par saves, some from spots that would have challenged Phil Mickelson.

As impressive as it was, you didn't come to see the golf.

You came to hear the stories.

Hawkins is one of the last living connections to the Ben Hogan-Sam Snead era on the PGA Tour. He joined the tour in 1947.

During his prime, there were no swing gurus or sports psychologists, no titanium drivers or manicured fairways. Half the golf balls were out of round before they were even hit and players carried a metal ring to test them. There were no yardage markers on courses; the game was played by feel.

He left the tour in 1965, driven from the game by alcoholism, a problem he overcame. He had his last drink in 1978 and went on to become one of the founding members of the Senior Tour (now Champions Tour) in 1980.

Hawkins won twice on the regular tour, made 21 holes-in-one and two double-eagles, once shot a 60 at El Paso (Texas) Country Club and shot his age for the first time when he was 64 (and hundreds of times since). Raymond Floyd once called him the best chipper he'd ever seen.
Friend of Ben

Hawkins was one of Hogan's few close friends and the two played dozens of practice rounds together. The "Wee Ice Mon," as the Scots called Hogan, was an inveterate loner who conquered a wicked hook and went on to become one of the game's greatest players.

"Hogan was hard to get to know," Hawkins says. "He could be as gracious as he wanted to be. Sometimes he was preoccupied and he'd walk right by you and not speak to you. Sometimes he was kind of cruel to people."

Hawkins also got to know Gene Sarazen and Bobby Jones, Bing Crosby and Bob Hope. He hung out with actor Fred MacMurray, played big-stakes matches with the likes of Lloyd Mangrum and, later in his career, played practice rounds with a young bomber named Jack Nicklaus.

"Nicklaus asked me once if I could arrange a practice round with Ben," Hawkins says. "I said, 'Sure. I'll talk to him. We'll get somebody and you and I will play him at Colonial.' I don't remember who we got but we came to the 11th hole at Colonial, the long par-5. Nobody ever went for the green back then.

"We drove down there and hit our second shots and, of course, Nicklaus is way down there (ahead of them off the tee). But he pushed his drive over on a service road to the right of the fairway. It's lying on flat, barren, kind of clay-looking ground. And in front of him is a big row of tall, skinny trees.

"He called me over and said, 'What do you think I should do here?' I said, 'Well, take a 9-iron and punch it down there.' He said, 'You know, I think I can take my 3-wood and cut it over those trees and put it on the green.' I couldn't believe it. I said, 'OK, why don't you go ahead and do that.' Sure enough, he did it. I mean, I couldn't get it over those trees if I teed up a 7-iron.

"I looked over at Hogan and he was just shaking his head."
Skinning Arnold

Another time, Hawkins and Gene Littler took on Dow Finsterwald and a dashing young pro named Arnold Palmer in a money game.

"I shot 62 and Littler cut me four shots so we shot 58 best-ball," Hawkins says. "I got Arnold for a couple hundred dollars and he kept saying, 'We gotta go another nine. We gotta go another nine.' Finsterwald didn't want to go another nine and Littler had allergies and he couldn't go on.

"Arnold kept at it so finally I said, 'All right.' I got Jerry Barber for a partner and he got Johnny Bulla. We played 10 more holes and I birdied five of them and Barber birdied two more for 7-under net. Arnold was so mad."

Hawkins finished a career-best fourth on the PGA Tour money list in 1956 and the most he ever earned in one year was about $25,000. He made $205,228 in his career - equivalent to one top-five finish today. He acquired a reputation for not being able to finish off tournaments. By his own count, Hawkins had 27 runner-up finishes, though the Tour credits him officially with 19.

Hawkins had a shot at glory at the 1958 Masters. He needed birdies on the final two holes to force a playoff with Palmer. He made a 10-footer on No. 17, but his 18-foot attempt from above the hole on No. 18 lipped out and he fell one stroke short.

"He hit the greatest putt I've ever seen," Ford said in that same TV interview. "The ball looked like it was going in the hole and went around the edge and stopped directly behind the hole, about half an inch. Impossible."

Palmer won his first major championship and the first of his four Masters titles. Had Hawkins' putt dropped, his career - and Palmer's - might have been altered dramatically.

"I've always said I've been lucky in life," Hawkins says, "but unlucky in golf."


Just missed

Still, he went on to compile four top-10 finishes in the Masters. He also placed fifth at the U.S. Open on two occasions and made the 1957 U.S. Ryder Cup team, which he considers his biggest accomplishment.

"It was the first U.S. losing team in years, but I won the only singles match," he says. "I beat Peter Alliss. He's a great guy and we were friends before and since. Occasionally, when it comes up, Peter says, 'He gave me a thumping.' "

Hawkins lives in Sebring, Fla., but still makes annual summer trips to Wisconsin to visit his brother, Chuck, who is 88 and, incidentally, shot a 75 in that Monday round at Spring Valley.

"I was talking to a friend and we got to talking about Alzheimer's," Hawkins says. "He told me, 'You're lucky. You're too old to get Alzheimer's now.' I said, 'That's the best news I've heard.' Other than that, getting old ain't worth a s---."


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
4PackGirl
15 years ago
great read, 93! i absolutely love listening to elderly people & their stories. nothing's funnier than sittin next to an old guy who's all bent over, can barely walk, & he starts tellin you about how much he used to party when he was younger & all the crazy stuff he did.
IronMan
15 years ago

i absolutely love listening to elderly people & their stories. nothing's funnier than sittin next to an old guy who's all bent over, can barely walk,

"4PackGirl" wrote:


You must like vikesrules' stories then. :icon_smile:
longtimefan
15 years ago
heard story just yesterday on WSSP

Gary Ellerson told of how his first time coming out of tunnel in Chicago for a Bears game told him how fierce the Bear/Packer rivalry was


Mike Ditka and Forrest Gregg came out of respective locker rooms at same time, saw each other then started to charge one another..Both football teams had to pull the coaches apart..

Forrest Gregg told his team, you handle the Bears and I will handle Ditka
Cheesey
15 years ago
GREAT STORY!!!
I still remember several years ago, listening to my friend's Grandpa tell us his was stories from world war ONE. I was sitting there, not wanting to miss a single word.
What was also neat was, he looked just like Boris Karloff.

We can learn alot if we just take the time to really listen.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
beast (2h) : I want to them chant some songs for Daniel Whelan
beast (2h) : Let's win one! Also, hopefully the Irish will stand with Daniel Whelan
Mucky Tundra (4h) : After London and Brazil, I could go without an overseas game for a while
Zero2Cool (5h) : Packers. Steelers. Ireland. 2025. Reports say.
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Matt Lafleur on if Jaire will play again this season. "Yeah I don't know... he's been dealing with swelling."
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : After the way they played for most of the game yesterday, I don't see how you can sit anyone for the whole game
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : I'd say play everyone. Going into playoffs at 7th seed on two game lose streak - yucky
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Do the Packers have any best players?
beast (30-Dec) : Play or Rest*
beast (30-Dec) : Should the Packers play or free their best players vs the Bears?
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Packers should be 3 - 2 in the Division. Bonkers being swept by both Lions and Vikings. yikes
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : All crazy stuff…and good point beast
beast (30-Dec) : Packers should be 0-5 in the division, can't say I saw that coming, even 1-4
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Sam Darnold 35 TD's ... another one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Baker Mayfield, 39 TD's ... can't say I saw that one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : No matter who is playing as 7th, I think we want them to win. Get rid of 2nd seed haha
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : That would be dhazer who was rooting for Minnesota
beast (30-Dec) : Well, Commanders are currently the 6th seed and Packers the 7th
beast (30-Dec) : Who was it in Chat, that wanted the Vikings to win (because Lions fans upset them) because Packers could not lose the 6th seed?
beast (30-Dec) : If Falcons win, Packers stay as the 6th seed and Falcons lead the NFCS, if they lose, Commanders 6th and Bucs take NFCS lead
beast (30-Dec) : Win or Loss, the NFCS is going down to week 18
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : if the Falcons win, how does that affect the overall NFC playoff picture? Does it mean that the NFC South comes down to week 18?
beast (30-Dec) : If Commanders win, the Packers drop to the 7th seed
beast (29-Dec) : Taylor still at it!
beast (29-Dec) : Colts get the ball and fumble turn over
packerfanoutwest (29-Dec) : Jets pull Aaron Rodgers for Tyrod Taylor
Mucky Tundra (29-Dec) : Colts-Giants now a tight one
beast (29-Dec) : Still early, but Giants 14 to 3 over Colts
beast (29-Dec) : With Broncos losing to the Bengals, Colts got to control their destiny for the 7th seed... looks like they're about to give it up
Mucky Tundra (29-Dec) : I believe Pickett is starting for Philly
beast (29-Dec) : Is the Eagles QB Hurts playing? I forgot to check
Zero2Cool (29-Dec) : Watson unlikely to play today.
Mucky Tundra (29-Dec) : Good job gpg!
go.pack.go. (29-Dec) : I figured out the signature thing. I had to find a different hosting website
Zero2Cool (28-Dec) : Packers elevated S Omar Brown.
go.pack.go. (28-Dec) : I tried the [img][/img] but that didn’t work
go.pack.go. (28-Dec) : How do I upload a picture to change my signature? I haven’t done it in years lol. I have the picture but can’t get it to work
Mucky Tundra (28-Dec) : Saturday NFL games=the season is about to get serious
Mucky Tundra (28-Dec) : Greg Gumbel passed away today after bout with cancer.
buckeyepackfan (27-Dec) : 1 NFC South @ NFC West @ AFC West other 3 games,
buckeyepackfan (27-Dec) : Packers play NFC East and AFC North in 2025, plus 2 other games
Mucky Tundra (27-Dec) : Geeze Zero get it right!😋
Zero2Cool (27-Dec) : I guess 3 games. Whatever
Zero2Cool (27-Dec) : Bleh, that only impacts two games.
Zero2Cool (27-Dec) : Packers are gonna get 3rd place division schedule next year.
Mucky Tundra (27-Dec) : Kanata, seek help! lol
beast (27-Dec) : I was rooting for the Bears to win and hurt their draft pick status
Zero2Cool (27-Dec) : Forgot there was even a game last night haha
TheKanataThrilla (27-Dec) : That was terrible.
TheKanataThrilla (27-Dec) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

8h / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

9h / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / MintBaconDrivel

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

30-Dec / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / go.pack.go.

27-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-Dec / Random Babble / Martha Careful

27-Dec / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

27-Dec / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.