dfosterf
16 years ago

Flynns rating was 100.2, on 27-of-42 passing for 209 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions.

"dhazer" wrote:



I don't know those don't seem like bad stats to me and how can you say we don't have a decent backup qb until they actually get on the field.



BTW David i wasn't going to touch the Rodgers thing because i have stated my points over and over again so why rehash on the same shit.



Geez--

I was only kiddin' ya--
Pack93z
16 years ago

Wait.. just because we don't have a viable backup plan ready to take a snap isn't reason alone to over value Rodgers.

Listen.. besides his apparent ability to come off as a cocky little shit.. Rodgers played beyond expectations last season. In fact he played in my opinion and a Pro Bowl level last season.. however with that said I think one season is too early to crown his ass..

I think there are a few players, a Head Coach and a General Manager that are in a put up or start worrying mode... I have high expectations for this team this season.. that means I have an expectation that Aaron will grow even a little more this coming season and lead us to a NFC North title..

We have been building and waiting for a couple years now... time to get er done.

"dfosterf" wrote:



Gonna head this one off at the pass.

Hell, this isn't even a retort to Z (well, a little :icon_smile: )

OPEN LETTER TO DHAZER:

Step back from the keyboard, nothing to see here.

Do not be tempted to start interjecting with bandwagon fallacies.

1. Pack93z is pissed at Aaron for a recent interview.

2. The off-season is wearing on Pack93z.

3. Pack93z is so busy following linebackers, both ours and our opponents, he probably only saw about 5 throws Aaron made last season.

j/k

"pack93z" wrote:



LOL...

1. One time.. it is the context of the comment.. twice.. becoming a little gun shy of the underlying attitude of the SI model dater.. ;)

2. Offseason wearing.. not really.. life wearing thin on me.. that is another story all together..

3. Don't get me rolling on the linebackers already.. if Hawk doesn't play wide eyed and pissed off I am going to be one severely pissed off fan.. If we see this reactionary wait in the hole play from this group this season.. I will probably start with Winston Moss and work my way through the entire core... I doubly expect this group to be the emotional spark plug of an attacking defense... anything less will be just plain a utter disappointment..

I have spent my time watching Rodgers play.. it was impressive to say the least.. but maybe I am demanding but I want to see it a second consecutive year before I start praising the lad to a overblown level.

Did I mention I didn't care for two of his interview sessions.. lol.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Rest assured, Ted Thompson has big eyes.

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dfosterf
16 years ago
This should probably be an entire thread, but I already put up a lot of NFP stuff, so this will have to do.

The Packers move on 

Fantastic article, until the brain fart at the end (lol)

Diner morning news: the Packers move on
Rodgers growing pains are over, and the offense will be better. Michael Lombardi

QUOTE: Men do not care how nobly they live, but only how long, although it is within the reach of every man to live nobly, but within no man's power to live long. -- Seneca the Younger (4 B.C.-65 A.D.)

The week after July 4 is normally a very quiet time in the NFL. Most team executives and coaches take off this week, so news is light. But lo and behold, now we have another Brett Favre bulletin: Charley Walters of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that Mr. Favre may have leased a condominium in Edina, Minn. So the worst-kept secret keeps getting out. Has Brad Childress come back from fishing in Alaska yet?

Dont worry, this isnt another Favre column. This is going to be a column on the Packers offense, explaining why I feel theyll be explosive this season. However, it does start with Favre.

What's an article on the Packers without at least one Favre reference?

All the talk about Favre heading to Minnesota keeps making me ask the fundamental question: How much better will the Vikings be with Favre? I wrote on Sunday (and have been thinking this since) that we know the Vikings are a good team without him, but are they are great team with him? I cannot seem to bring clarity to that question in my mind, but it did make me wonder about the Packers offense as they lived life without Favre last year.

The Packers became a very good offense last season without him, but now they have a chance to be great.

Bill Walsh always used to say, The first year, we teach the player the system. The second year, we develop his skills within the system. That line resonates with me every time I think about Aaron Rodgers, the Packers quarterback.

Rodgers played well, but as Matt Bowen, my Houston Texans spokesman and colleague here at the Post, pointed out, he struggled to close out games in the fourth period last season. It was a growing year for him, the pains of not being able to play for so long, but this year will be the money year and the game will slow down for him. Once it slows down, hell improve his fourth-quarter performances.

I was not convinced that Rodgers could become a great pro player when he left Cal. I know that everyone talks about the great Jeff Tedfords offense at California, but in reality, its a college offense. This is not meant to degrade Tedford but rather to explain how he uses the rules of the college game to his full advantage -- which for me is very smart.

The offense uses the hash marks and the ability to go unbalanced to give the quarterback easier reads with the ball. The unbalanced rules of college football greatly enhance the ability to protect the passer.

The NFL rules, as they relate to an unbalance line, are different, so Tedfords offense does not easily translate to the NFL. When Rodgers was coming out, I was concerned about his ability to fit into the offense we were running at the Hotel.

He had the kind of game that needed to go to the right scheme. Dont forget, Mike McCarthy the head coach of the Packers, was in San Francisco, where they selected Alex Smith over Rodgers.

Rodgers proved last year that he can run the Packers system very well and should be able to handle an expansive package in 09.

As unimpressed as I am with the Vikings offensive creativity (wait until Favre starts changing things), Im very impressed with what McCarthy has done with his offense.

I have learned to have great respect for his ability to formulate a game plan and create imaginative designs in his offense. He has grown as a coach, utilizing his talented skills players.

Last season, with injuries abounding, the Packers offense was very proficient, finishing fifth in points scored. This year, if theyre able to stay healthy, theyll be an explosive offense that will be hard to match up against each week.

Expect a big year out of Aaron Rodgers.

One of my new Twitter friends is Ryan Grant of the Packers. For me, Grant is the critical piece separating the Packer offense from very good and great. He had the classic get paid year last season, which means he was more worried about getting paid in the offseason than working hard to prepare for the season.

He did have over 1,200 yards, but he averaged slightly below 4.0 per carry as opposed to 07, when he averaged above 5.0. I realize the injuries on the offensive line had something to do with his lack of big-play production, as it affected all the Packers. But this year, I expect the 07 Grant to return -- the player who was explosive in the spread set, made big plays and made people miss tackles.


Everyone in Packerland is concerned about the changes in the defense as they relate to their current personnel with new coordinator Dom Capers. Certainly, theres a reason for concern (change causes concern), but the Packers offense is going to be the best friend to the Packers new defense.

If the offense is as explosive as I expect, they will build the lead, which then will allow Capers to become more exotic with his scheme. Capers might be the best complement to the Packers offense, creating pressure from various positions on the field, which in turn creates turnovers. My concerns about the Packers on defense get smaller every time I think about how explosive they can be in year two of the Aaron Rodgers era.

Ravens center Matt Birk, who filled in well for SI.coms Peter King yesterday in his Monday Morning Quarterback column, had this to say about a Favre signing: I think Favre will play for the Vikings this year.

This will start a civil war between Minnesota and Wisconsin. A truce will be reached in this epic border battle after it is discovered at a tailgate party that Johnsonville Brats (Wisconsin) and Grain Belt Beer (Minnesota) are perfect complements for each other.

All that might happen off the field, but on the field, the Packers seem to have the better offense in terms of design, personnel and coaching.
The Packers have moved on while the Vikings have taken a step back in time. Does this make them go from good to great? I really doubt it.

go.pack.go.
16 years ago

Flynns rating was 100.2, on 27-of-42 passing for 209 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions.

"dhazer" wrote:



I don't know those don't seem like bad stats to me and how can you say we don't have a decent backup qb until they actually get on the field.



Wow I actually agree.

And Rock, you bring up some good points. And by the way, don't forget Tom Brady. He never would have seen the field if Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
Just in case it wasn't clear in my bit of slapping the young chap around verbally.. I am very happy to have Rodgers leading this team this season..

Yes I expect growth from him.. as I do with almost all players in the "up" cycle of their careers.. no exceptions for Rodgers.

Mainly.. to say he is our MVP based on the fact that we don't have a viable option behind him is what is troubling me. Flynn and Brohm very well may develop into quality players.. but by performance last season and "minimal" growth projected through OTA's and minicamps.. that seems unacceptable to me in the NFL.

Maybe I am just foaming at the mouth for the season to get here already.. :lol:
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Gravedigga
16 years ago

if rodgers goes down our season is going to be a losing one. i do not think either of these guys who are backups will have successful NFL careers

"dhpackr" wrote:



we shoulda got someone like rex grossman or someone with experience on the cheap and traded Brohm or Flynn.
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dfosterf
16 years ago

Just in case it wasn't clear in my bit of slapping the young chap around verbally.. I am very happy to have Rodgers leading this team this season..

Yes I expect growth from him.. as I do with almost all players in the "up" cycle of their careers.. no exceptions for Rodgers.

Mainly.. to say he is our MVP based on the fact that we don't have a viable option behind him is what is troubling me. Flynn and Brohm very well may develop into quality players.. but by performance last season and "minimal" growth projected through OTA's and minicamps.. that seems unacceptable to me in the NFL.

Maybe I am just foaming at the mouth for the season to get here already.. :lol:

"pack93z" wrote:



OK, I'm sticking by the MVP tag, but I can understand why many would not see it that way.

Why do I stick by that?

I ask myself this question. If I found out TODAY that I was going to lose a player for next season, who would I least like that one individual player to be?

It is not even close in my mind.

Aaron Rodgers.

Hence, my version of MVP right now.

Edit---

PLUS the money thing.

Many argue that he has not proven enough to warrant the kind of money he is making. This perspective is exacerbated by the media folk that only bother to give you his average per year, not taking into account how that contract was structured. I remain steadfast in my opinion that the signing of Rodgers-when he was signed-- is an outstanding example of some sheer brilliance in the timing and structure of that contract.

This weighs on me as I contemplate the rash of decisions coming, but do not confuse that with the fantastic job done as regards Rodgers.

His base is only 680k this year.

His pro-rata signing bonus is only 1.052 mil this year. By all indications of the CBA, no longer even worry about that PRSB, uncapped year=don't mean shit.

Unproven?

The rest of his money is 7,927,440. It is ALL LTBE--Likely to be earned. We do don't know what those incentives are, and we could argue about how tough they are to earn, but I would bet that we will be happy with his FUTURE performance if he does in fact earn those LTBE incentive monies.

Watch the Cutler money coming due if you are still on the fence about the Rodgers money. That one is going to be ugly...bet on it.
Pack93z
16 years ago

Just in case it wasn't clear in my bit of slapping the young chap around verbally.. I am very happy to have Rodgers leading this team this season..

Yes I expect growth from him.. as I do with almost all players in the "up" cycle of their careers.. no exceptions for Rodgers.

Mainly.. to say he is our MVP based on the fact that we don't have a viable option behind him is what is troubling me. Flynn and Brohm very well may develop into quality players.. but by performance last season and "minimal" growth projected through OTA's and minicamps.. that seems unacceptable to me in the NFL.

Maybe I am just foaming at the mouth for the season to get here already.. :lol:

"dfosterf" wrote:



OK, I'm sticking by the MVP tag, but I can understand why many would not see it that way.

Why do I stick by that?

I ask myself this question. If I found out TODAY that I was going to lose a player for next season, who would I least like that one individual player to be?

It is not even close in my mind.

Aaron Rodgers.

Hence, my version of MVP right now.

"pack93z" wrote:



I would have to agree that currently him going down would do the most damage to the Packers chances this season; agreed.

Now that speaks in two lines of thoughts..

1. He is coming off a great season personally and the potential for repeat is high.

2. We have no legitimate backup ready to man the offense.

So people say Thompson doesn't take risks and chances.. I say in some instances he is too damn bold. This isn't the first risk in depth and relying on youth to shore up a gaping hole on the roster.

Personally I thought it a mistake last season to not have a veteran on the roster at QB.. but could plausibly understand not having a media angle for the buzzards to nitpick.. but for the life of me... I don't understand it currently..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
16 years ago
Damn big risk, I agree. I edited my previous post with some more arguments, btw.

I do have quite a bit of faith in our coaching staff to develop QB's.

Then we get into "what about the meantime" aspect.

Perhaps after church lets out those that go should go back in for a bonus round to do some semi-selfish praying that Aaron stays upright.

When you get to heaven, just tell St. Peter it was for morale-building purposes, perhaps he'll let you slide on the abuse aspect that some feel and/or the bible mentions. Personally, if he has a problem with me praying that Rodgers not get hurt, I'd just as soon go to hell - I don't like stuffy folk.
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