cheeseheads123
15 years ago
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-12-126/Patience-while-the-Packers-grow-up.html 

How do you get the article on here where it says Quote: then the article is in a box. If that makes sense lol.
UserPostedImage
Bigbyfan
15 years ago

This is what happens when you build around young players.

They get older.

And they want to get paid.

After three years of fielding the NFL's youngest team, Green Bay has entered the next -- and decidedly less fun -- phase in the development of its program. In the past year, the Packers have signed four veterans to contracts worth a total of $116.5 million, but they still have 15 players whose contracts will expire after this season. Seven are likely starters, and one (safety Nick Collins) hasn't said for sure whether he will report to training camp without a new deal.

Key Packers approaching free agency
Safety Atari Bigby*
Defensive back Will Blackmon
Offensive lineman Chad Clifton
Linebacker Brandon Chillar
Offensive lineman Daryn Colledge*
Safety Nick Collins
Defensive lineman Johnny Jolly*
Linebacker Aaron Kampman
Tight end Tory Humphrey*
Fullback John Kuhn*
Receiver Ruvell Martin*
Guard/Tackle Tony Moll
Nose tackle Ryan Pickett
Center/guard Jason Spitz
Cornerback Tramon Williams+
*Will be a restricted free agent if NFL moves to an uncapped system in 2010


+Will be restricted free agent only if NFL has a new CBA in 2010




Decisions will have to be made and feelings inevitably will be hurt. This crossroads is neither unexpected nor avoidable, but for the Packers it's no less pressing than their conversion to a 3-4 defense as they attempt to rebound from a 6-10 season.

"There is always an evolution of a team," general manager Ted Thompson said. "At different points in people's careers, certain things happen. And we're trying to take care of our business the best we can. Each year your team matures, and we have a larger number of young guys that are getting ready for the next phase of their careers, and that's something that's our job to deal with."

Since his arrival in 2005, Thompson has taken a disciplined approach to building through the draft. You can praise him for developing players who are now worthy of extensions, or you can criticize him for structuring an unbalanced team. Regardless, his choice now is either to maintain the nucleus he has built or cast it aside for another young crop of players.

It's hard to imagine the Packers starting over, but the financial constraints of the NFL's salary cap will likely result in some players being excluded. That unavoidable byproduct has added a new layer to locker room dynamics as players try to figure out where they stand and inevitably compare their situations to others'.

A few players on the list could well be entering their final season with the team, most notably left tackle Chad Clifton (age 33) and nose tackle Ryan Pickett (30 in October). Such departures are a fact of life in the NFL. The unusual segment of the Packers' scenario is how many young players are approaching the end of their first contracts -- a group that includes Collins, right guard Daryn Colledge and safety Atari Bigby.

Collins appears to be the most aggrieved. He and his teammates have watched the Packers extend the contract of tailback Ryan Grant, who staged a training camp holdout last summer even though he was three years away from free agency. They saw quarterback Aaron Rodgers sign a $65 million deal after seven NFL starts. Reserve safety Jarrett Bush got a three-year deal after wading through the restricted free-agent market. Just last week, receiver Greg Jennings signed a lucrative extension.

Green Bay extensions since last summer
Date Player Pos. Years Total Guaranteed money
August 2008 Ryan Grant RB 4 years $20M $4M
October 2008 Aaron Rodgers QB 6 years $65M $20M
March 2009 Jarrett Bush DB 3 years $4.5M $1M
June 2009 Greg Jennings WR 3 years $27M $16M
Total: Four contracts worth total of $116.5 million, including $41 million in guarantees.



You could argue that Grant, Rodgers and Jennings are three of the Packers' most indispensable players. None is older than 26, and all three project as starters for the duration of their contracts. Nevertheless, I keep thinking of an obvious but relevant physiological truism: People are human. (OK, so I heard Minnesota legend Sid Hartman say it once and thought it was funny -- and true. Sue me.)

Indeed, people are human. Defensible or not, it's only natural for a player whose contract is near expiration to wonder why, say, Grant got paid and he didn't. Shortly after the Jennings deal was announced, Collins told Wisconsin reporters:

"There's a lot of guys coming up on free agency next year. I'm just glad somebody got it. Greg's a great guy. He deserves it. Hopefully, things work out for me."

Collins, who earned a Pro Bowl berth last season, said "we'll see" when asked if he will report to training camp without a deal. It's clear he is miffed the Packers decided to open their purse strings for Jennings but not him. It's a perception Thompson can do little about, but he does acknowledge the potential repercussions.

"It's never a case of really putting priority on one player or another," Thompson said. "We don't want players thinking that they're competing against [each other] or anything like that. The organization does have to make decisions as we move along."

Jennings earned his extension and is part of an exclusive internal club of players who have been taken care of. He realizes his teammates were carefully watching him this offseason and offered this advice: "Good things come to those who wait."

I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that patience, or a lack thereof, will be the most critical virtue for the Packers this season. This important but ultimately non-football issue won't impact their performance in 2009. As long as they don't let it.


blank
cheeseheads123
15 years ago
Thanks, now how do you do that? 🙂
UserPostedImage
Bigbyfan
15 years ago
There is a quote button above the text box where you write your message. You push it once, then copy and paste the article, then push the quote button again.

If that made any sense..... which i doubt.
blank
cheeseheads123
15 years ago
No, it did thank you very much.
UserPostedImage
earthquake
15 years ago
You can also do

{quote}
your quote
{/quote}

But replace teh { & } with [ & ]

like so:


your quote



The {code}{/code} tags can be helpful when you want to paste something in formated in a specific way(lots of spaces etc). OR you can hit the # button up top as well.
blank
Pack93z
15 years ago
This is a little different from the main focus of the thread.. but...

This isn't a "young" team anymore.. there are no more fu... "freaking" excuses to be had for us lacking experience.. none.. I won't buy it at all.

The front line starters and heavy rotational players have enough experience.. hell they had enough at the beginning of last season save our QB.

The first person that pins a loss on youth.. well.. I very well might remove my leg and start to beat them with it.. :lol:
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
bozz_2006
15 years ago
I blame it on inexperience....

Seriously, though. Totally agree with 93z. It's time to perform, as a team.
UserPostedImage
warhawk
15 years ago
First of all I think this definately means the end for Tausher and any thoughts of him coming back to the Packers.

I think Clifton will be gone after this year and Poppinga probably won't make it thru camp.

They can get along without Moll, Kuhn, Martin, and Humphrey.

My guess is Kampman and Collins get done this year and maybe another one or two. I think everybody they need to be resigned will be although a problem could come up with a guy like Pickett if he has a great year and Raji is tearing it up next to him. In that case we would probably have to ante up because NT's don't fall off trees yet he won't be no spring chicken.

This is exactly why I was against signing some high end FA earlier. With what is on the horizon Ted has enough on his plate in terms of holding onto guys they dont' want to let go.

When you gain one good player but then can't resign two others later I don't see how that makes your team better.
"The train is leaving the station."
dfosterf
15 years ago
Completely missed in the article, an argument can easily be made that the fact that so many of these players "coming due" for their next payday can be a VERY GOOD THING.

I don't need to dwell upon it much, but how often have you said to yourself (or others) that "x" player performed because he was "in a contract year."

Well, we have a crap load of that. We also have a situation where no one in his right mind is going to be resting on any laurels...6-10 will do that, I don't care if they are playing for "the team" (like I would like to think) or the "payday" (which is probably more likely).

They can make their money the old-fashioned way...they can earn it. Those that don't, won't...They can bitch to their agents. If we are sweating this problem next year at this time, I would imagine we are having my kind of problem.

If we are at 6-10 next year, heads are gonna roll anyway.

This is going to be a great year. It will be all the more sweet, because the Pack is being largely dismissed in the contender category discussion.

This whole thing is setting up nicely for a serious bounce from the cellar.

In other words, the author could easily have this whole thing completely backwards, and as far as "hurt feelings" go, those players hurt my feelings when they failed so miserably in 2008...therefore, until proven worthy of a different perspective, can basically kiss my ass.
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (14-Feb) : Packers are hiring Luke Getsy as senior offensive assistant.
Martha Careful (12-Feb) : I would love to have them both, esp. Crosby, but either might be too expensive.
Zero2Cool (12-Feb) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol
Mucky Tundra (11-Feb) : Yeah where did it go?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : *winning MVP
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....
beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago
beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems
beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason
beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23h / Around The NFL / beast

15-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

13-Feb / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

10-Feb / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

10-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

9-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

7-Feb / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.