djcubez
15 years ago

See i don't get why you guys are comparing rodger's and favre's comeback wins. Rodgers has played one season that isn't fair. You really should be comparing him to someone like matt ryan or joe flacco. I guarantee matt ryan has at most 2 comeback wins from the 4 minute mark, and im pretty sure they were elam field goals. I believe they were pretty long ones too. The differences are elam made his field goals crosby didn't. My point is how many comeback wins do you expect from a 1 year starter who's defense cant get a stop with the game on the line. And a kicker who cant make a field goal with the game on the line.

"cheeseheads123" wrote:


QFE. Only time will tell in this debate.
15 years ago
Sorry but whats QFE lol?
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warhawk
15 years ago
First of all I think tallying comebacks for QB's is a croc in a team sport. If the big play on a comeback drive is a 50 yard run on a draw the QB gets credit for a comeback? When that WR makes an unbelievable catch in the clutch on what was not a great throw by Eli Manning HE gets the credit?

Secondly, there are several dynamics that plays into a comeback that amounts to the mountain that has to be climbed. Is it Mt. Everest or a foothill?

These dynamics include are you home or away, do you need a TD or a FG to win, who has the momentum, time left on the clock, distance, number of timeouts, weather conditions, and, coaching decisions.

So just looking at the number of times a team has the ball last and does or does not win does NOT get to the crux of the real question which is "can Arod lead the team from behind?"

I know what I saw and as far as I am concerned there is no question, given reasonable circumstances, he can do it.

I saw him throw big-time bombs to Driver (59 yards) in the Houston game to get us THERE (position to win) and saw him make clutch throws late to Driver in the Vikes game and Jones in the Bears game for key first downs. McCarthy shut it down after that both times. He threw a perfect strike late in the Titans game only to see the official not make the right call.

You know they went into last year with the thought all the other phases needed to step up and give our first year starter less pressure and less on his shoulders and it ended up with him carrying them on his back.

Of course non of that counts when your just putting numbers up and taking nothing, 0, nada, into consideration.

What does that stat REALLY say anyhow?

When he's in a hostile envirnment like Minnesota, getting his butt pounded by their DL, brings them down inside the 40, his coach shuts him down, and the FG kicker doesn't get it done, I'm asking, what does that stat really say anyhow?
"The train is leaving the station."
dingus
15 years ago

First of all I think tallying comebacks for QB's is a croc in a team sport. If the big play on a comeback drive is a 50 yard run on a draw the QB gets credit for a comeback? When that WR makes an unbelievable catch in the clutch on what was not a great throw by Eli Manning HE gets the credit?

Secondly, there are several dynamics that plays into a comeback that amounts to the mountain that has to be climbed. Is it Mt. Everest or a foothill?

These dynamics include are you home or away, do you need a TD or a FG to win, who has the momentum, time left on the clock, distance, number of timeouts, weather conditions, and, coaching decisions.

So just looking at the number of times a team has the ball last and does or does not win does NOT get to the crux of the real question which is "can Arod lead the team from behind?"

I know what I saw and as far as I am concerned there is no question, given reasonable circumstances, he can do it.

I saw him throw big-time bombs to Driver (59 yards) in the Houston game to get us THERE (position to win) and saw him make clutch throws late to Driver in the Vikes game and Jones in the Bears game for key first downs. McCarthy shut it down after that both times. He threw a perfect strike late in the Titans game only to see the official not make the right call.

You know they went into last year with the thought all the other phases needed to step up and give our first year starter less pressure and less on his shoulders and it ended up with him carrying them on his back.

Of course non of that counts when your just putting numbers up and taking nothing, 0, nada, into consideration.

What does that stat REALLY say anyhow?

When he's in a hostile envirnment like Minnesota, getting his butt pounded by their DL, brings them down inside the 40, his coach shuts him down, and the FG kicker doesn't get it done, I'm asking, what does that stat really say anyhow?

"warhawk" wrote:



+1. Well said.
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dd80forever
15 years ago
There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

"dd80forever" wrote:



The other six. I think three Rodgers could have pulled us out and that's iffy because one of those three he didn't even play the last series :90 of the game, Flynn did. The others we were down by more than 8 points.


You want to know? I'll tell you. He does give us a fighting chance. Now this is provided the coach doesn't run the ball three times, Bears game, or the RB doesn't stuff it in at the 1 yard line with three tries, Panthers game, or the OL lets the DL walk through and pummel him. ... essentially I'm saying. If given time in the pocket, and the ball in his hands, I think he can do it.

Now it's time for him to prove it this year because he didn't do so hot last season. Not sure what more can be said about this.
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warhawk
15 years ago

There were 2 games where missed field goals were the culprit. What about the 6 others?

I want to know that if there is 3:00 or so left in the game and we have the ball, no matter whats happened prior in the game, that my QB has a fighting chance to lead us to victory. It's the same thing as a Basketball player hitting a shot at the buzzer. Some people rise up and some people fold.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's fine but that's not what your gigging him on so it's not really what you want.

In the Carolina game the guy leads them to 24 second half points on four drives 32, 95, 79, and, 76 yards. Only to see our lousy ST's give up two consecutive 50 yard returns. We end up with the ball on our SEVENTEEN and 1:30 left needing a TD to win. That's a far cry from what you WANT. That's no "buzzer beater." That's asking a guy thats already scored 40 to make a three quarters court shot too.

That's not 3:00. Jacksonville was not three minutes.

With 4:37 left against Houston he throws a bomb to Driver for 59 yards and then we get the phantom hold on Grants run to the 13. Now, did our QB give us a "fighting chance" to win? Did he fold here?

Look. Arod played poorly at the end of the Atlanta game and the end of the Tampa game. AFTER THAT, and I think this is what is important, he played better and did his part at the end of games. No, he didn't pull out 87 yard miracles.

I would put it like this. In a lot of games he didn't make a buzzer beater to win...but made some mighty nice bounce passes to guys wide open that blew it.
"The train is leaving the station."
dingus
15 years ago
No matter what you say warhawk, he'll just disagree because Favre doesn't play here anymore. He's a one trick pony and you'll never change his mind.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Holy shit good post batman, err warhawk!
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dhazer
15 years ago
Holy shit isn't the 4 minutes up yet damn. I am seeing alot of replays going on and i still don't know who won 😛 Hopefully we don't goto overtime on this thread 😛
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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