wils0646
16 years ago

Teacher said shoot your self after shooting them and say they shot you :p

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Any half-assed forensics tech could shoot down your allegation in a heartbeat.

But Hazer raises a valid point. This homeowner could indeed be slapped with charges. A few years ago, a would-be burglar fell through a skylight and injured himself. He sued the homeowner for damages. And won.

"dhazer" wrote:



I don't think that was an actual true story. It was mentioned in the movie "Liar, Liar". This is probably where the story originated from.

http://www.tortdeform.com/archives/2006/09/book_review_a_tort_protectors.html#more 

There is the famous story of the burglar who falls through the skylight, falls on a knife and sues the homeowners for leaving the knife out. The actual case involved a teenager who was on the roof of a school and, by the best accounts we can find, was trying to redirect a light because they were trying to play basketball. And while he was on the roof he stepped through the skylight, which had been painted over black. So this may have been a trespasser, but it wasn't a burglar.

Secondly, the incident took place in a school and not a private home. And there had been a previous claim where someone else had stepped through one of these skylights that had been painted black, which made them invisible. So the school knew about it, which was an important part of the case. And there was no knife. So that's an example of the way a story bears some resemblance to the actual events. (The teenager was rendered quadriplegic in the accident and ended up settling with the school.)



Back to the story, yes, definitely good for the homeowner. That burglar is lucky to be alive in that situation. I know there are plenty of people that would have been less generous.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago


My Uncle was a Milwaukee Police detective.
He told me that if anyone ever broke in to shoot him, and make sure to empty the gun into him.
Otherwise, if he lives, he'll probably try to sue you.
Plus, you have to prove you feared for your life. I'd say to empty the gun proves you were so afraid that you just kept shooting.
Works for me!

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Good to know.
Thanks, Cheesey. I guess it would also help if you wet your pants. 😉
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Cheesey
16 years ago


My Uncle was a Milwaukee Police detective.
He told me that if anyone ever broke in to shoot him, and make sure to empty the gun into him.
Otherwise, if he lives, he'll probably try to sue you.
Plus, you have to prove you feared for your life. I'd say to empty the gun proves you were so afraid that you just kept shooting.
Works for me!

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Good to know.
Thanks, Cheesey. I guess it would also help if you wet your pants. ;)

"Cheesey" wrote:


I'd rather wet YOUR pants!!!LOLOLOL!!!
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dfosterf
16 years ago

They sad part of this whole story is that the homeowner could end up with charges against him. Specially with the death threat on tape. Did you folks know for you to actually shoot a burglar you have to prove your life was threatened.

Ok yes i learned that in law class lol. Teacher said shoot your self after shooting them and say they shot you :p

"Cheesey" wrote:


My Uncle was a Milwaukee Police detective.
He told me that if anyone ever broke in to shoot him, and make sure to empty the gun into him.
Otherwise, if he lives, he'll probably try to sue you.
Plus, you have to prove you feared for your life. I'd say to empty the gun proves you were so afraid that you just kept shooting.
Works for me!

"dhazer" wrote:



Reloading and pumping another magazine into his ass can be hazardous to your freedom though, LOL. I would imagine your uncle would agree with me on that one, lol.

Seriously, Nonstopdrivel mentioned frangible bullets...

A shotgun is good, if not great, but can be too bulky in the confines of a bedroom--dragging it out etc.

An automatic pistol is not as good as most would think. In close combat, there is the danger of taking the slide out of battery if you find yourself having to wrestle with an intruder. Also, many have a grip safety which may not "engage" in a real "tight" situation...Fewer variables the better...There is a technique you can use when unholstering your weapon, grabbing your weapon, etc.- involving turning approx. 45 degrees relative to the intruder, with the weapon on the "away" side of the bad guy, keeping it close to your torso and side as you aim and fire, while using your "free" hand and arm to assist in fending him off. If you keep a weapon for self-defense, in addition to all the safety stuff, it is wise to have a plan, imo. The aforementioned, (practiced) is part of the plan.

I prefer a revolver. Specifically, I have model 29 S&W in .44 magnum. It is loaded with Glaser safety slugs (blue tips). This is probably the best cartridge for home protection with a frangible bullet. In addition to increasing the stopping power of any caliber you might have (A .22 with glaser safety slugs has decent stopping power)...You have dramatically reduced the liklihood of "collateral damage" caused by stray bullets.

"My" intruder has one chance to live. There will be no dialogue between myself and the 911 dispatcher, other than telling him or her that there is one. As far as the intruder, he either lays down on his face with arms and legs spread, or he is catching 6 rounds of .44 mag Glasers.

This will f#ck up his health record, I promise. Jhp's have a tendency to go right through, Glasers have a tendency to tear shit up and/or off.

Or as Mr. Hopper might say, bad things, man, bad things.

If you own a .38, (or a .380, or even a .25 cal) you would be amazed at the differential of these slugs in your weapon comparative to a regular cartridge in stopping power.

If you have never heard of Glaser's ...here is a link to their website---I didn't see .22's listed, but I know they used to make them in that caliber...probably still some around in gun shops, etc.

Bad Guy Stoppers 

Edit: I found a video showing the defensive technique I have tried to describe. One thing I didn't mention, and this guy does a semi-good job of displaying it... When you pull your weapon out and hold it close to your torso, you should tilt the weapon away from your body so that the butt of the weapon is closest to you. "Tilt away"... It prevents the slide from contacting your body. The video:

[youtube]7TXLOQvWe0w&feature=related[/youtube]

Sorry for all the gun nut stuff..It really isn't my thing anymore...but hey, some guys go through life learning computer code, or attend managerial seminars or whatever... I was busy learning this kind of crap. :icon_smile:
zombieslayer
16 years ago
Thanks David.

I'm always up for more tactics. And no, you're not weird for learning this kind of crap. I strongly believe that you should know at least basics of (in no order):
1) fixing cars,
2) survival tactics,
3) home finance,
4) plumbing,
5) carpentry

For which, I have a parable for you of the Oarsman and the Philosopher.

So a Philosopher asks an Oarsman to take him across the river. He pays the Oarsman and the Oarsman happy for the business takes the Philosopher across.

While the Oarsman is rowing, the Philosopher asks the Oarsman "my friend, have you read the first Hindu Veda?"

"No, I have not."

"Well, my friend, a quarter of your life has been wasted."

The Oarsman takes his insult and keeps rowing.

"My friend," the Philosopher asks, "Have you read the second of the Hindu Vedas?"

"No," replies the Oarsman, "I have been a working man and have only focused on feeding my family."

"Then my friend, half your life has been wasted."

The Oarsman takes the insult but keeps rowing. Suddenly, a big wave comes and knocks over the boat. The Oarsman turns to the Philosopher and asks "my friend, can you swim?"

"Not one stroke."

"Then I am sorry, but the rest of your life has been wasted."
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Cheesey
16 years ago
Those Glaser slugs are neat!
I saw them at several gun shows. They won't go through more then one person. They open up on impact, and it's like a mini shotgun slug going off inside the person you hit. Pretty effective weaponry!
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