wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
6 months ago
1. Welcome back Alan. You have been missed. I look forward to your hot takes on the Packer players and team as a whole as TC moves into the season.
2. I have thought about commenting on this Biden/Trump?harris issue but can't seem to get my "giveadamn" (Is it less of a swear if I scrunch the words together?) motivation up high enough to comment.
3. Wisky and Michigan look to be the two closest of the swing states. Michigan E to +2 Trump. Wisconsin finds Harris +1 in the most recent polls. Your votes are going to count. In IL, it don't matter who I vote for. Chicago makes it a solid blue 10-15 point lock for whoever the Dem is.
Penn is a closse state to watch as well. When it was Biden, Trump was +7-9 a week ago. Now it's only +2 with the VP leading the ticket.
Interestingly Minnysoda, Jersey and Virginia are typically blue and as of their last polls, when Biden was still fumbling and stumbling along, Trump was +1 or 2. I have not seen any polls since Harris took over. The last time Virginia voted for a Republican was 2004 with Bush The Younger. For Jersey it was 1988 and Bush the Elder. Minny was 1972 and Tricky Dickie. They must have said, "Never Again!" after that. They didn't even vote for Reagan in his landslide wins in the 80's.

UserPostedImage
Cheesey
6 months ago
Thanks Wayne!

Hey Beast. So many make a big deal about Trump lying. Yet Biden lied as much if not more then Trump. One biggie from the debate was Biden saying that not one single American soldier died in the line of duty since he became president. Uh.....I guess the 13 that were killed didn't count to him.
Ask the families of those brave men how they feel about that.
About the only truth Biden stated during the debate was how he "beat medicare".
UserPostedImage
dfosterf
6 months ago
Let's just not. This place should remain apolitical imo as there is a history of fighting over this stuff
Zero2Cool
6 months ago

Thanks Wayne!

Hey Beast. So many make a big deal about Trump lying. Yet Biden lied as much if not more then Trump. One biggie from the debate was Biden saying that not one single American soldier died in the line of duty since he became president. Uh.....I guess the 13 that were killed didn't count to him.
Ask the families of those brave men how they feel about that.
About the only truth Biden stated during the debate was how he "beat medicare".

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


When someone says this politician lied, it feels as pertinent as saying water is wet. Politicians lie. It's what they do. All of them. šŸ¤·

Biden is out for 2024. It feels like a crazy time! It seems Kamala Harris is going to replace his spot on the election ticket. If true, I think Democrats might just be mailing this election in and focusing on 2028. And I sure as heck both parties put forth worthwhile candidates. Hahah, I am so naive!!
UserPostedImage
earthquake
6 months ago
As a bleeding heart liberal of the worst possible kind, I think Joe Biden dropping out is a good thing. Iā€™ll try not to delve into the Biden vs Trump stuff here too much (beast makes some very reasonable points) but I donā€™t think itā€™s good for the country for either of these men to run for the presidency. If weā€™re being honest, as best case both have some form of early-stage dementia. I say this not as a doctor but as someone who helped care for my mother-in-lawā€™s dementia for 10 years. Politics aside, we need young, capable leaders. We deserve better than a choice between two creepy old farts who probably wouldnā€™t make it through a second term.

I think people underestimate the support that Kamala Harris has. We (Democrats) largely voted for Biden and Harris, with the thought being that Bidenā€™s significant limitations could be overcome by Harris being part of his team and with the expectation that this was a 1 term appointment for Biden. Biden was not the top choice for a lot people, but we had confidence that he could put together a legislatively effective team that could bring us out of the Covid situation before passing the torch onto the next generation. Thatā€™s largely what he has done and is doing. Harris being a more progressive force that would help to modernize the office with Biden in the seat was something we voted for as well - that's a feature, not a bug. It's a yin and yang sort of thing - Harris will need similar balance, so look for her to pick a popular, more centrist VP from a swing state.

I find the timing of this rather interesting. Part of me thinks Biden should not have run - it should have gone to an open convention. But the other part of me thinks this is brilliant, Trump has spent the last however long focusing on Biden, and now has to switch to Harris. On the other hand, Harris has a lot of ground to make up very quickly, though it helps being the VP and already having been on the campaign trail. So just from that perspective it being the VP makes a ton of sense, but itā€™s certainly a high-risk, high-reward play. Overall, I think the Democrats have a better chance of winning with Harris than Biden, but Iā€™m only 60/40 on that being correct at this moment in time.

I donā€™t think Harris is a sacrificial lamb as Alan suggests though, I think she has a genuine chance to win, potentially even win big here. If the narrative is ā€œpick between two unlikable old fartsā€ and ā€œpick between a bright young thing and an old fartā€ she could have a major advantage. I think Martha is right in that the bright young thing could have been any number of people - certainly some that she mentions, but it sounds like those are the top VP candidates at the moment (Shapario, Kelly, Cooper) so theyā€™ll get a bit of both.

In summary, Iā€™m nervous but equally excited that itā€™s not going to be Joe Biden on the ticket for the Democrats. It never should have been either Biden or Trump, but here we are.
blank
6 months ago
I enjoy reading well thought out, reasoned opinions, especially, when they don't agree with mine. So thanks to all who have posted.
Go Packers!!!!
Zero2Cool
6 months ago

I enjoy reading well thought out, reasoned opinions, especially, when they don't agree with mine. So thanks to all who have posted.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 


Absolutely! I like talking these subjects with rational people -- or those that can discuss them rationally.

Granted, I think anyone saying this party is better than the other party is batcrap crazy or blind, lol. (DISCLAIMER- I think both are deplorable and care first and most about their party's reign than the Country) but I enjoy the discussion and talk nonetheless because ya never know what you can learn.

I developed these feelings over time because it feels if you like a Republican, you gotta vote Republican all the way down. If you like a Democrat, you gotta vote Democrat all the way down. I think that's poohey. When I vote, I pick the best candidate regardless of the party. And by "best", I aim for what I feel the candidates job is. e.g. people talking about crime rate or job rate under this President or that President don't really grasp the duties of the President. Or they don't understand each State has a Governor and other politicians that are more responsible for those such things.

Then again, I could just be full of doggie do and don't know a damn thing. I've accepted that as a possibility too! haha

My "favorite" politician was probably Robert F Kennedy. I think he would have made a great President and the deaths and events of '68 are what erased the HOPE that America had.
UserPostedImage
6 months ago
One of my favorite politicians is actually from the state of Wisconsin.

His name was William Proxmire.
He was an honest man of integrity who not only was not bought and paid for by anybody, but he literally ran his campaign on thousands of dollars.

He would make himself available to local radio and television stations, take calls, and explain its positions on the issues of the day.

Now, politicians take millions and millions of dollarsā€¦ And there's always a strings attachedā€¦ And both sides run negative ads which greatly exaggerate their opponents position.


Yes, if you can quote an opponent saying something that's fair game, but to use AI and other things to Deceive is not kosher in my book.

Go Packers!!!!
Cheesey
6 months ago
One of the biggest things that bothers me, is how Harris handled the border. It was her only job, and she did nothing to protect the United States against millions of illegals pouring in.
When questioned why she never went down to the border to oversee it, she said "we've been to the border". She was corrected, the questioner said "You've never been to the border" and her reply? " I've never been to Europe, I don't understand your point."
Huh? Either she's ignorant, or just plain dumb.
Is there anyone here that didn't understand the point? If there is, here it is : if it's your job to oversee what's going on at the border, to stop illegals from pouring into our country, shouldn't you actually be there to make sure the job is getting done, to protect US citizens? In 3 years, she did nothing to do so. Yet she keeps saying the border is secure.
Now, so you don't misunderstand me, I'm not against immigrants coming into our country. But do it LEGALLY. I don't think that is asking too much. The laws are made to protect us.
UserPostedImage
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Martha Careful (22h) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe
    Mucky Tundra (23h) : beast, you didn't miss much with that one. Raiders didn't update their play calls, audibles etc so the Bucs D steamrolled
    buckeyepackfan (6-Feb) : That was quick, one thing Jordan said was he doesn't agree with Josh Jacobs, that the Packers need to go get a proven #1 wr
    buckeyepackfan (6-Feb) : J-10VE on ESPN NOW!
    beast (6-Feb) : I was young and didn't get enough sleep... fell asleep during the Buccaneers/Raiders Super Bowl
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Patriots / Panthers feeling is what I got. didn't watch that one either
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Easier to get a camera on her in the suite where she can't impact the game by being distraction???
    TheKanataThrilla (5-Feb) : This is the least excited I have been in a long time for a Super Bowl. Unfortunately they both can't lose.
    wpr (5-Feb) : So why don;'t they have her on the sidelines and doing the halftime fandango instead of sitting on her but in a $1,000,000 suite?
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Think more eyes on Super Bowl with Swift fans pulling for her TE boyfriend?
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : She dating the TE of the Chiefs.
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Taylor Swift has millions of fans, yeah?
    Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : They did. They are going to show the post production Sunday with plethora of ads.
    wpr (5-Feb) : I thought KC already won
    Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : If you wanna post about the Super Bowl, please, by all means, open a topic. They are free this month! šŸ˜
    Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : There doesn't need to be a topic. There's a playoff prediction thread.
    packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : and there no SB contest over in the other Packer forum, either
    buckeyepackfan (4-Feb) : #2Officially Retires!
    beast (4-Feb) : Probably no SB topic as people are wore out talking about the Chiefs, Refs and Eagles
    Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : Packers reportedly have their new LB coach, promoting Sean Duggan to that role
    Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : WR Cooper Kupp is being traded.
    packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : why is there no SB Prediction topic?
    Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Anthony Perkins spent 2024 as a defensive quality-control coach with the Packers.
    Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Packers lose another assistant.
    Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Defensive Player of the Year and Browns star Myles Garrett has requested a trade.
    Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : deleted all my browser history and autofill and passwords. gonna be fun!
    packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : too funny
    packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : Lions QB Jared Goff was the offensive MVP
    packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : for the Pro Bowl, which is flag football
    Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : Rather, the murder WAS covered up to prevent ...
    Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : JFK murder was a cover-up to prevent war with Cuba/Russia.
    Martha Careful (1-Feb) : I have always admired the pluck of the man
    Zero2Cool (1-Feb) : I remember thinking he was going to be something good.
    Mucky Tundra (1-Feb) : The Dualing Banjo!
    Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jets have named Chris Banjo as their special teams coordinator, Former Packers player
    Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jaguars have hired Anthony Campanile as their DC. We lose coach
    Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : QB coach Sean Mannion
    Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : DL Coach DeMarcus Covington
    dfosterf (30-Jan) : from ft Belvoir, Quantico and points south. Somber reminder of this tragedy at Reagan Nat Airport
    dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eerily quiet here in Alexandria. I live in the flight path of commercial craft coming from the south and west, plus the military craft
    dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eeri
    Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Now that's a thought, maybe they're looking at the college ranks? Maybe not head coaches but DC/assistant DCs with league experience?
    beast (30-Jan) : College Coaches wouldn't want that publicly, as it would hurt recruiting and they might not get the job.
    beast (30-Jan) : I thought they were supposed to publicly announce them, at least the NFL ones. Hafley was from college, so I believe different rules.
    Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Who knows who they're interviewing? I mean, nobody knew about Hafley and then out of nowhere he was hired
    beast (30-Jan) : I wonder what's taking so long with hiring a DL coach, 2 of the 3 known to interview have already been hired elsewhere.
    Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Packers coach Matt LaFleur hires Luke Getsy as senior assistant, extends Rich Bisaccia's deal
    Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
    Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
    dfosterf (27-Jan) : Happy Birthday Dave!
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
    Eagles
    Recent Topics
    2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    10h / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

    10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    6-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

    4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

    1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    29-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    Headlines
    Copyright Ā© 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.comā„¢. All Rights Reserved.