President Biden declines to seek re-election ·

Zero2Cool
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I don't follow Politics too much, it kind of annoys me. And while I know this is probably nitpicky, I believe phrasing matters. The parties don't even try to hide their agenda is their party first, Country second. This is a snippet of Joe Biden's letter to America stating he's not seeking re-election anymore. Just four months before the election.

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I'm a Robert F Kennedy fan and I think he would have been a great President. So, Biden dropping out drew parallels to when Lyndon Johnson. However, I feel Johnson announced his decision not to run for re-election was far earlier in the President race than Biden.

Does the Democratic party have a young worthy candidate like they did with RFK back in the late 60's? Or does the Vice President have to be forced onto the ticket?

What do you all feel about this? And please let's attack the subject at hand, not one another.

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Does the Democratic party have a young worthy candidate like they did with RFK back in the late 60's? Or does the Vice President have to be forced onto the ticket?

What do you all feel about this? And please let's attack the subject at hand, not one another.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

It doesn't matter if any party has worthy candidates, as worthy candidates can't ever seem to get any traction. As the parties control everything, and I think they even work together to keep the parties system in power.

In theory, any Democrats whom steps up can win the nomination at the National Convention.

For practice matters though, the Vice President should have a large advantage in that they're the next person up,

And only the President and Vice President have access to the large amount of funds that they have been raising as it's their names on it. So any other candidate would be behind in the raising funds category, as well as name recognition.

So it's mostly likely the Vice President's race now.

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Yeah. I was thinking it has to be Kamala Harris to take Biden's spot on the voting sheets. I also thought about the money stuff and admittedly have no idea how that works. I think some people are lobbyists or donors or something where they put millions of dollars to back a candidate.

I'd be kind of pissed if I donated X amount of dollars for a candidate and then four months before election they dropped out. Maybe that's just the normal risk of donating though?

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While reading the snippet below my brain started going into unlikely spots. Such as, if I'm a Country that hates the USA, I think now is probably a good time to attack. Yes, I know that's doomsday thinking and unlikely, but reading this stuff. It just feels like we're kind of a clusterfuct of sorts.

What happens with the money pledged to Biden?
Because Ms Harris was part of the same electoral ticket as Mr Biden, campaign finance experts have suggested that the nearly $100m (£73m) he has amassed could flow directly to her if she does become the Democrats' nominee.

This was "not an open question,” Dara Lindenbaum, a commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, told the New York Times. “It’s very clear,” she added.

However, Republicans have signalled that they plan to challenge this transfer of funds, pointing out that Mr Biden was not yet officially his party's nominee when he dropped out of the White House race.

If the nominee turns out to be someone other than Ms Harris, it is less clear what happens to the funds accrued by the Biden-Harris campaign.

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I think the decision of a foreign adversary to attack would be more predicated upon the track record of the current president versus the likely response of the next president, as opposed to whether or not the current president will not return. To that end, if I was China and was going to attack in the next six years, I would do it now. That is a hell of a gamble though that I just don't think they're willing to take at this point… at least I hope not.

if you are more conservative and you look at the number of speakers that were young, bright, powerful and made sense at the Republican convention, you would ask yourself 'why are we running Trump.'

if you were more liberal and you looked at the number of outstanding governors i. e., more centrist candidates that could mop the floor with the Republican candidate you would ask yourself 'why Harris'?

whether it should or not, I think the assassination attempt makes Trump a more sympathetic figure and one that will make people more likely to live with his obvious faults.

The two party system really isn't serving us terribly well, IMO.

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The two party system really isn't serving us terribly well, IMO.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

No it's not, and I strongly believe the parties are working together to keep it a two party system, and keep the parties in control over the politicians, especially the moderate ones.

And I think you make a great point, that those whom become the Presidential Nominees haven't seemed like their the best candidates when looking around at whom else is potentially available.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

China seems very strict to keep to their schedules, that being said, there was once a rumor (at least I believe it was a rumor, maybe it was more than that), that China is building up it's Military, with potential plans to invade Taiwan in 2027.

Also China has been watching the Ukraine war closely to see how Russia was doing with their invasion, and learn from it.

I have no idea how much or how little truth there is to that, but China certainly does seem to be building in a lot of different ways. And getting into more and more China Sea scrimmages with foreign countries, including to my surprise, Canadia.

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Here's my 2 cents.
I think the democrats realize this election is already sewn up by Trump.
If they do have a candidate that they believe would fare a little better then Harris would, and they think whoever they put out there would lose to Trump, why destroy that person's chances at a run for president in 2028, when Trump can't run? Make Harris the sacrifice, bite the bullet, and prepare for 2028.
Harris has shown no ability during the last 4 years to be able to lead this country if she had been thrown into the presidency, so why would people vote for her?
I know the ONLY reason, because they hate Trump.
I have watched so many of Harris' speeches on YouTube, and they all just repeat the same things over and over. A lot of words, but no substance.
I'm not attacking her, just saying my observations. Her "passage of time" ramble is an example.

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Cheesey,

It is so nice to hear from you!!

Although you may be right about what the Dems think. But if they think that, I think they are wrong. Lots of thinking!!!

The convention has not taken place and candidates ALWAYS get a bump from them.

If they were to run someone more to the middle like a Governor Shapiro (who has done a good job here, IMO) or a Gov Beshear, who polls very well for people who know him, or a Gov Cooper, I think they win easily.

The practical issue is that Harris cannot be passed by or black voters will boycott the election and its lights out (Please, do not call me a bigot., Rep Clyburn has basically stated this.)

And yes, she has a funny laugh, but I actually like it...it is heartfelt and genuine. Also, if you run ANY candidate's stump speech, one would be able to cut and paste to make anyone look silly and repetitious.

But back to the main point, Trumps negatives are north of 55%!!! An orange cone, without negatives, and without dumb policy positions would beat him...and rather easily.

But back to the Biggest point, welcome back, and happy birthday.

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Originally Posted by: Cheesey

I had conversations with some folks pre-2020 election that wanted essentially anyone but Donald Trump in office. They couldn't tell me why, just that he's awful. I agreed, he's not a great human being, but he's supposed to lead the Country, not lead choir boys. I told them wouldn't it be better to just vote on policies and such and if Trump wins, at least you won't hear his name during elections anymore? The refute was the Country couldn't survive four more years under Trump. Which is absolute horse crap. The President is a TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE. The Country is next to permanent. My guess is Democrats and voters assumed Trump would disappear after not being elected in 2020 and go away quietly or by force (court suing's). He's proven to be as difficult to get rid of as a New York cockroach.

Anyhow, those conversations came to mind when reading that they (Democrats) are "sacrificing" Kamala Harris so they can just focus on 2028 election and in their mind, turn the Country around. And sadly, that's the best thing for that party because the Country is always going to have issues to target. You cannot make 300 million people happy. The motto candidates always like to use is "change" in some extrapolated manner.

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I have watched so many of Harris' speeches on YouTube, and they all just repeat the same things over and over. A lot of words, but no substance.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Are you suggesting any other 2024 Presidential candidate differs from this? They all talk a lot and said absolutely nothing, other than I'm good, they're bad.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I agree, but did Trump run the country or mainly watch TV all morning, complain about it the afternoon, before playing golf in evening and back to complaining at 2 am tweets.

A number of reports suggested Trump wasn't helpful nor knowledgeable in meetings and just kept talking about how the media covered him than talk about the actual subject of the meetings.

I think it's very questionable how much the US President's this Century have actually lead the government.

Rumor had it that Dick Cheney was largely pulling the strings under George W. Bush.

Obama... but congress was strongly controlled by Republican and even Obamacare (the item with his name in it), rumor is he basically threw it at Congress and said get it done, based on an extremely rough and short outline and the details weren't his.

Trump had no clue what's going on, as he just watched TV reactions, and played golf (spending more in 4 years than Obama's first 4 years and golfing more than Obama despite those being some of his major complaints about Obama.

Then Biden, maybe even less clue of what going on as he seems to be mentally out of it, and his 4 years have been a lot more liberal policies than he did when he was younger, which I'm assuming someone else was running those things.

And no matter whom we're going to get in 2024, it's going to be more raising the debt as both sides have horrible policies of getting rid of the debt l, they both just want to spend a freaking ton. Republicans might be a bit less than the Democrats but it's still way too much and the business tax cuts means less income for the government and the same debt raising effects.

If the American government ever loses trust, then the USA is screwed, as we can't pay off the debt.... not with these politicians (both Republicans and Democrats).

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Thanks for the "welcome back" Martha!
As far as Harris, there are many videos on YouTube where she's at different places and repeating the same nonsense over and over.
She was supposed to oversee the border situation, and couldn't even handle that. So if there was an attack on America, how could she handle that? After 3 and a half years, SUDDENLY the border situation starts to get addressed. A little late, if you ask me.
I think there were 2 reasons that Harris was picked as vice president. Not because of her qualifications. If she had done something in the last 4 years that showed her as competent, I'd be happy to say so.
I saw the comments of a Democrat on line that said " I'd rather have a smiling, laughing president then one that's scowling all the time." Me, I'd want one that's prepared in case of a real emergency. There's nothing wrong with laughter, as most people here know how I love to laugh. But a person leading this country needs to strike fear in our enemies, to prevent an attack.
Just my opinion.
I know some here will agree with me, and some won't. I'm ok with that. That's what makes America great! We are all allowed our thoughts/opinions.

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Beast. You made some good points.
One thing I wonder, how do you know what Trump was doing? I doubt you were there to see him golf, or goof off. I bet you read it on the "media" online. The so called media has twisted almost every article to attack Trump, and make Biden look like a savior.
And who doesn't really believe that the legal attacks on Trump were nor an attempt to knock him out of the race? The democrats knew they couldn't beat him at the ballot box.
And what will come out in the future about Biden and the millions he and his family git with the backdoor deals with China and Russia?
When Trump was president, the country was doing great. 4 years under Biden and the cost of living has almost doubled.
I'm tired of the United States sending trillions of dollars to other countries, when we should be taking care of our own FIRST.
One of these days, China is going to call for payment of all the IOUs we owe them, and of course we don't have the money to repay them. Then what do we do? Hand over the country to them? What else could we do?
We need a leader that puts America first.
Love or hate Trump, he's the one guy running that has done that. Yes, he has his faults. But what human doesn't? He was attacked for his supposed affair with that porn star. The democrats went WILD over that. But remember Bill Clinton getting a BJ in the oval office by Monica? Remember what the democrats screamed then? " That's Clinton's personal life! That's no one's business!" And then Clinton lied under oath about it.
Trumps happened before (if it even happened)before he was even president, yet Clinton was on the job (LOL) at the time.
A little hypocritical, you think?

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One more thing I can say, I appreciate the way this thread has been handled so far. Points have been made, with no attacks. That shows class!

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Beast. You made some good points.
One thing I wonder, how do you know what Trump was doing? I doubt you were there to see him golf, or goof off. I bet you read it on the "media" online.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

People whom were in the meetings have said so...

Sounds like meeting would run like normal with Mike Pence in them, but when Trump joined them, Trump couldn't focus on the subject, just kept focusing on whatever was said on TV that morning.

Also Trump has admitted he doesn't read the Presidential reports.

And it's not exactly hard to figure out when a President is golfing as the secret service is all over the place, including some media around trying to get pictures.

Also what are you talking about? The Democrat clearly and fairly beat Trump at the ballot box in 2020. And the almost all the adults results into the election have found more fraud helping Trump than helping Biden. And Trump lost all the court judgements (except one which was a tie, and the people should of be held at a different distance back, I think it was a two foot difference).

The legal attacks showed he clearly broke the law and he couldn't admit the truth.

Now, one can say that some of the laws he broke were stupid (the alleged sexual assaults were not stupid, not talking about those, nor trying to overturn the free and fair election), but then why lie about it? Like I admit I speed ... in my area there are a ton of 25 MPH areas where most people go 35 MPH, and I have a heavy foot and probably go even faster when I feel I safely can. But I can freely admit the truth that I break the law in that respect.

Trump just wants to play the victim and refuse the reality that he clearly and fairly loss the 2020 election and that he broke some laws (some of which were possible stupid laws) and according to Trump's lawyers, a President, even a past President should be allowed to break the law. And yet he has issues when others do it, so it's just him that should be allowed to do it.

The reality is Trump is guilty as hell... just that he's a manipulative asshole (as most politicians probably are).

But Trump even attempted to claim the 2016 Republican Iowa caucus was rigged (which Democrats had no hand in) when he didn't win, he's just a sore loser and cry baby, trying to present it as masculinity.

There have been some extremely extremely shitty Presidential choices in recent decades.

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He was attacked for his supposed affair with that porn star. The democrats went WILD over that. But remember Bill Clinton getting a BJ in the oval office by Monica? Remember what the democrats screamed then? " That's Clinton's personal life! That's no one's business!" And then Clinton lied under oath about it.
Trumps happened before (if it even happened)before he was even president, yet Clinton was on the job (LOL) at the time.
A little hypocritical, you think?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Yeah I don't freaking understand politicians when their hypocrisy in this type of thing, and as long as it was consensual, then whom cares?

Maybe care a bit more, as Monica was an employee.

But overall, they should focus on the issues more and drama less.

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And just to be clear on the other side of the coin (Harris), I don't know how she was for California, but everything she seemed to be put in charge of as Vice President, did not seem to go smoothly.

And some of the things, including the boarder, she seemed to bumble and stumble and made it look even worse as she was trying to sell it as a better picture and the things she did sorta backfired.

And as I believe I said previously, Biden's government has seemed a lot more liberal than I thought he would ever be (attempting to ban gas stoves? I just don't seem that as something Senator Biden would ever agree too)... so who was actually running it?

Maybe if was Harris, or Harris' people, as that's something extremely liberal that California's were trying, but also could of just been someone Biden put in place and wasn't watching, I'm not certain.

But case in point, her image as Vice President has not been the best either.

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Yes, Trump is a jerk. But his time in office was good for the American people.
Everyone has their faults.
And those that have vendetta against Trump, it's hard to trust what they say in my opinion.
I think of Trump keeps his mouth shut, and just does the job, a lot of the hate would disappear. He brags too much, and let's his thoughts go out there where he should just keep it to himself.

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I forget who said it, but someone said how do you know what Donald Trump was doing. There seemed to have been a new photo shoot once a week with him playing golf and there's a constant stream of Tweets talking about this article, that news show, this news show, that publication, etc... I know someone who actually used the Tweeter app on their phone and he would laugh cuz his phone would go off at 3am and he'd be like 'Dammit donny, go to freakin sleep!" lol.

When I did my head to head Trump vs Biden pros/cons of what I felt was "factual" and by factual I mean I could find sources that would back it up. Trump was better for the Country's future, but Biden was a better person. I also probably have a different view of what the President's duties are. It seems majority feel if they cannot find a job, it's because the President isn't creating jobs for them. Or they want the President to make their life easier so they don't have to earn their way.

Originally Posted by: beast

The rumblings I heard at the time (that I remember) was if he can't "run" his family, how can he run the Country. As if both are the same in any capacity. Those same folks would also put John F. Kennedy in their top five best Presidents all time and that would confuse me.

Yes, more focus on issues than the drama. Unfortunately, we people like the drama and focus on that. Thus, when ratings are involved guess what is going to get thrown in our faces? (insert sad face)

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Originally Posted by: Cheesey

There was a lot of folks saying Trump showed a lot of restraint vs Biden during that last debate. I couldn't watch much of it because I felt bad for Biden. I'm not a doctor, nor do I know Biden well, but he just did not look healthy and that was hard to watch. He was there physically, but mentally it seemed he was there and drifted way and back. Point being is I think if Trump shows more empathy / compassion, he's going to win over a lot more people than he'll alienate. Yes, I think some admire Trump for his cutthroat ruthlessness.

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And those that have vendetta against Trump, it's hard to trust what they say in my opinion.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

I honestly believe the whole "vendetta" stuff is mostly just complete bullshit, trying to make Trump look like a victim, when you ignore that and look at the actual evidence (or of the items we can actually verify one way or the other), did he do the things he's being legally accused of?

And the evidence points to, yes, he actually did do those things. Whether we should give a crap about weather people do those things or not, is a different story, but he's clearly lying when he claims he's the victim.

He did those things, so what? ... I don't care that he did most of their things. I do care about that he's lying about it, and trying to play the victim when clearly he's not.

Accept the things you have done, that's what a true leader does. Make excuses, is what a loser does, and that is what Trump has done.

I think of Trump keeps his mouth shut, and just does the job, a lot of the hate would disappear. He brags too much, and let's his thoughts go out there where he should just keep it to himself.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Absolutely, and that's one of Trump's biggest issues, he wants the spotlight, where if he just shut up and stop wanting the media talk about him all the time, then I don't think the people would of gotten tired of him half as quickly.

But I feel like that was Trump's downfall, people just got burned out from hearing about him.

When you could watch it like clockwork, Everytime the media started to shift subjects, Trump would do something off the wall to get them talking about him again.

And I truly believe, that even if you loved his administration, it was despite him, not because of him, as he (while advised by others) hired a lot of good Republicans, whom he burned though, and ended up basically verbally spitting on them at the end. So they aren't coming back for him.

Trump promised to talk care of the debt, he only raised it more than Obama did in Obama's first four years.

Also Trump claimed bad weather prevented him from visiting the WWI graves in 2018. It didn't stop any of the other World Leaders.

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