earthquake
4 years ago
Here's a perhaps stupid theory:

The Packer's have too many great players. That sounds like a good problem to have, right? Maybe, but what it could mean is that they will have a difficult timing affording good to above-average players, and you need a team full of those kinds of guys to win meaningful games. Currently they have:

1. Top 3 (best?) QB
2. Top 3 (best?) WR
3. Top 3 (best?) CB
4. Top 3 (best?) LT
5. Top 5 RB
6. Top 5 S (Amos)
7. Top 5 NT
8. Top 10 (top 5?) Edge

I still worry that paying Aaron Jones big money was a mistake, as it will make it harder to keep Adams and Alexander, both of whom I think are more important. Plus, it makes it that much harder to generally fill out the roster with above average-good players.

It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next 2-3 years with the cap, who they manage to retain and who they have to let walk. Especially with all of the weird stuff they had to do to get under the cap this year.
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Cheesey
4 years ago
The did pay Jones less then he could have got on the open market. Hopefully other players, like Adams, will also help the team in that way.
It sucks that when you finally get great players that you developed, that you end up having to let them leave because of the cap. That’s why your shot at a super bowl window is so small.
Makes you wonder how New England remained so good for so many years. That’s so rare.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Split this into it's own topic because it's good.

Here's a perhaps stupid theory:

The Packer's have too many great players. That sounds like a good problem to have, right? Maybe, but what it could mean is that they will have a difficult timing affording good to above-average players, and you need a team full of those kinds of guys to win meaningful games. Currently they have:

1. Top 3 (best?) QB
2. Top 3 (best?) WR
3. Top 3 (best?) CB
4. Top 3 (best?) LT
5. Top 5 RB
6. Top 5 S (Amos)
7. Top 5 NT
8. Top 10 (top 5?) Edge

I still worry that paying Aaron Jones big money was a mistake, as it will make it harder to keep Adams and Alexander, both of whom I think are more important. Plus, it makes it that much harder to generally fill out the roster with above average-good players.

It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next 2-3 years with the cap, who they manage to retain and who they have to let walk. Especially with all of the weird stuff they had to do to get under the cap this year.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



I had a similar exchange on Tweeter about this. I said it was a good problem to have and was told it's not a good problem to have. And the retort was saying the Packers need to do better at drafting because they won't be able to re-sign all their guys. I thought that was funny. If the Packers weren't good at drafting, would they have all these home grown studs to re-sign? 🤷‍♂️

The Aaron Rodgers contract is what really hurts this team. It's not team friendly at all.
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Cheesey
4 years ago
Yeah....it’s kind of stupid. If they draft lousy players, people complain. If they draft great players, who then want to get paid, those same people complain that they will want too much money to stay here.
If Rodgers was really a team guy, he’d let go of his massive ego a take a pay cut to allow the team to resign other players.
A “pay cut” at his level doesn’t mean he’d be playing for peanuts. He’d still be making multi-millions a year. Not exactly poverty level.
Does he value a shot at a second Super Bowl worth that?
It’s not like he had a short shot at making a ton of money, so he has to grab it all now. He’s made more then enough to last him and his kids (if he ever has any) the rest of his and their lives. So his future is set.
At what point is it enough?
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nerdmann
4 years ago
I think they're referring to the time Gute had to go out and sign the Smiths, Amos, Billy Turner, plug all those holes.

If we draft a guy, we got him at a discount for 5 years. Problem is, he's in a developmental phase when he's young.

Next year we'll trade Aaron's cap hit away, barring an injury to Love. Not to jinx.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Yeah....it’s kind of stupid. If they draft lousy players, people complain. If they draft great players, who then want to get paid, those same people complain that they will want too much money to stay here.
If Rodgers was really a team guy, he’d let go of his massive ego a take a pay cut to allow the team to resign other players.
A “pay cut” at his level doesn’t mean he’d be playing for peanuts. He’d still be making multi-millions a year. Not exactly poverty level.
Does he value a shot at a second Super Bowl worth that?
It’s not like he had a short shot at making a ton of money, so he has to grab it all now. He’s made more then enough to last him and his kids (if he ever has any) the rest of his and their lives. So his future is set.
At what point is it enough?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I'm maintaining what I said before the 2018 contract. I wanted them to offer up a 10 year contract for like $120 guaranteed. This was assuming he had 3-4 good years left and then the contract was spread throughout the other years as the Salary Cap ballooned. I'm not sure if he'd sign that. It's easy for me to sit in my little office saying hell yeah, $120 million guaranteed? Sign me up! I'm not talented like Aaron Rodgers. SURPRISED you all are, I know.
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Cheesey
4 years ago

. SURPRISED you all are, I know.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



What.....Zero is actually........

YODA?!?!?😎😂
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

What.....Zero is actually........

YODA?!?!?😎😂

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I have spoken.
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Mucky Tundra
4 years ago

I think they're referring to the time Gute had to go out and sign the Smiths, Amos, Billy Turner, plug all those holes.

If we draft a guy, we got him at a discount for 5 years. Problem is, he's in a developmental phase when he's young.

Next year we'll trade Aaron's cap hit away, barring an injury to Love. Not to jinx.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



We really didn't sign the Smith Bros, Amos, Graham and Turner because we drafted too many good players to resign, we signed them because the 2011-2014 drafts were on average hit and miss and the 2015-2018* drafts were just flat out bad on average. Gutey dipped into FA in order to plug holes and hold the line until guys like Gary, Savage, Dillon, Deguera, Runyan, Newman etc could be developed. A lot of the frothing at the mouth of Guteys draft picks stems from people thinking GB was a few players from contending in 2018 and 2019 when they weren't.

*Clark, Jones and Alexander being big exceptions. Guys like Martinez and Jamaal were nice finds for the round picked but far and few between.
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dfosterf
4 years ago

I have spoken.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Chile, please.
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