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4 years ago
Coach Hawn and part 3 on Joe Barry's defense.




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beast
4 years ago
This one I find very interesting, asking the CBs to read, that might take some time for some to adjust to.

But very smart, I can really see why LaFleur wants this scheme.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

This one I find very interesting, asking the CBs to read, that might take some time for some to adjust to.

But very smart, I can really see why LaFleur wants this scheme.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Why do you believe LaFleur wants this scheme? And what is this scheme?
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beast
4 years ago

Why do you believe LaFleur wants this scheme? And what is this scheme?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I assume he wants it because it's given him the most troubles and he believes it's the best scheme to set up players for success.

As far as this scheme, haven't you watched the coverage videos?

Seems like a versatile cover 2 / cover 3 where you can create some confusion for offenses, as the different packages line up similar but if one has a weakness, the other has a strength there, and you can go back and forth. Plus you can ask the DBs to read and react so no one knows which way they're going at times until they see what the offense does.

Thou, I'm curious how they'll handle the defensive front. As three DT didn't work well for Pettine, and Packers haven't gotten that much better there except Keke has developed. Do they draft a guy? (DTs usually suck as rookies), do they go with two DTs and two Edge? Or hope Keke develops? Or being in a vet?


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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

I assume he wants it because it's given him the most troubles and he believes it's the best scheme to set up players for success.

As far as this scheme, haven't you watched the coverage videos?

Seems like a versatile cover 2 / cover 3 where you can create some confusion for offenses, as the different packages line up similar but if one has a weakness, the other has a strength there, and you can go back and forth. Plus you can ask the DBs to read and react so no one knows which way they're going at times until they see what the offense does.

Thou, I'm curious how they'll handle the defensive front. As three DT didn't work well for Pettine, and Packers haven't gotten that much better there except Keke has developed. Do they draft a guy? (DTs usually suck as rookies), do they go with two DTs and two Edge? Or hope Keke develops? Or being in a vet?

Originally Posted by: beast 



No, I have not watched the videos. I don't have any confidence that anyone knows what scheme or defense Joe Barry is going to be deploying and I'm struggling to find time for regular everyday things as it is.

I can't really tell the difference between Cover 2, Cover 4, Quarters, etc ... so I'm not really sure what to be encouraged or discouraged about. I do think the mentality of the defense is important. I think our previous defenses have been far too much react and respond instead of punching teams in the mouth.
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dyeah_gb
4 years ago
This is just the benefits of man coverage but does have the additional advantage of making it harder for the qb to read, especially with motion. It would be interesting to see the drawbacks. What about a bunch 3 WR set? Seems the HB can take advantage of this as a dump off in the flats.

I would prefer the players learn how to friggin tackle and take the correct angle on pursuit. Pettine had a decent scheme except for the secondary playing way off on short yardage plays.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

This is just the benefits of man coverage but does have the additional advantage of making it harder for the qb to read, especially with motion. It would be interesting to see the drawbacks. What about a bunch 3 WR set? Seems the HB can take advantage of this as a dump off in the flats.

I would prefer the players learn how to friggin tackle and take the correct angle on pursuit. Pettine had a decent scheme except for the secondary playing way off on short yardage plays.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Absolutely on the tackling. I am so tired of the shoulder bump. Stop trying to make the highlights and make the tackle.
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beast
4 years ago

No, I have not watched the videos. I don't have any confidence that anyone knows what scheme or defense Joe Barry is going to be deploying and I'm struggling to find time for regular everyday things as it is.

I can't really tell the difference between Cover 2, Cover 4, Quarters, etc ... so I'm not really sure what to be encouraged or discouraged about. I do think the mentality of the defense is important. I think our previous defenses have been far too much react and respond instead of punching teams in the mouth.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


This is just going into the basics of the Rams defense. Video 1 and 2 are the basics of anyone that runs the coverages, abd videos 3 and 4 are more specifically how they one is different than the average ones, but still basics.

But every scheme has a weakness, I think the concept of basically doing only 4 main things, where the offense might now be able to tell which of the four pre snap and having them have strength in an area when another has weakness is quite smart, as your making the offense do more work, is smart.

Plus a system where no one, not even the players or coaches know who has who until the routes are run is interesting, and if you mix it up and the offense doesn't know you're in it, makes it tougher.




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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

This is just going into the basics of the Rams defense. Video 1 and 2 are the basics of anyone that runs the coverages, abd videos 3 and 4 are more specifically how they one is different than the average ones, but still basics.

But every scheme has a weakness, I think the concept of basically doing only 4 main things, where the offense might now be able to tell which of the four pre snap and having them have strength in an area when another has weakness is quite smart, as your making the offense do more work, is smart.

Plus a system where no one, not even the players or coaches know who has who until the routes are run is interesting, and if you mix it up and the offense doesn't know you're in it, makes it tougher.

Originally Posted by: beast 



The real important question is how will this translate to me playing Madden with that defense?!? 😁😁
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beast
4 years ago
Also, if I haven't said this already, I just wanted to mention it.

No matter which versions of these we run, we got some improvements that are needed.

No matter what system, we need better CBs.

If we're running lots of Tampa 2, then we need a better coverage LB.

And if running lots of 3 DT fronts, we need better DTs to go with Clark (though hopefully maybe Keke will keep developing).
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