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3 years ago



The Green Bay Packers are 9-3-0 and have a solid hold on first place in the NFC North division. But that doesn’t mean the team still doesn’t have areas that need improvement. One of those areas in recent games has been special teams.
The Packers have struggled on special teams in recent years, usually ranking near the bottom of the league overall in that category. This year has been no exception. The Packers are struggling in almost every area of special teams, especially in recent weeks.
While kicker Mason Crosby has been a perfect 14-for-14 on field goals, he has already missed three extra points this season including missing them on back-to-back games against the Bears and Eagles. It’s been a challenging season for Crosby who started training camp on the Covid-19 reserve list and has dealt with several nagging injuries that nearly kept him out of several games. For a few weeks, Crosby was unable to kickoff although he has since resumed those duties.
Meanwhile, punter J.K. Scott has had another slump in November and that has carried on into early December. Scott has shanked a few punts during that stretch, costing the Packers valuable field position. He has also had one punt blocked this season. The former Alabama star has also allowed a pair of punt returns for touchdowns in recent games and made embarrassing efforts at tackles on both of those scores.
Head coach Matt LaFleur wasn’t pleased with the punt coverage and said so after the win over the Eagles on Sunday. “We can’t have that happen,” LaFleur told reporters. “I don’t think that was J.K.’s best punt by any stretch. I know and he knows we have to be more consistent in that regard. And just, the coverage, we just can’t have that happen.”
LaFleur added, “We’ve just got to get better. We’ve got to make sure we’ve got the right people in there to go down and make a play because that can’t happen and you’re right, that can get you beat.”
The return game has also struggled. The Packers were on pace for a record poor punt return mark last season before the signing of Tyler Ervin for the final four games. In fact, the Packers had negative punt return yardage over the first 12 games in 2019.
This year, Ervin has struggled with injuries and is now on the IR. His numbers as a punt returner have been down when he’s been in the lineup. Last season, Ervin averaged 9.6-yards per punt return with Green Bay. This season, he is averaging just 4.0-yards per runback. On kick returns, Ervin averaged 26.7-yards per runback in 2019, this season, he’s averaged only 19.6.
When Ervin has been out of the lineup, the Packers have not had any alternatives that have struck fear in the hearts of opposing teams. Malik Taylor has averaged just 17.7-yards per kick return while the since departed Darrius Shepherd averaged 20.6-yards per return and had issues holding on to the football.
On punt returns, Shepherd averaged just 6.0-yards per runback while Josh Jackson has averaged just 6.5.
The overall numbers aren’t pretty. The Packers as a team are averaging 4.9-yards per punt return while their opponents are averaging 19.4-yards per runback. Meanwhile, on kick returns, Green Bay is averaging 18.8-yards per return while opponents are averaging 22.6.
The Packers will now turn to the recently signed Tavon Austin who is expected to make his Packers debut on Sunday against the Lions. Austin has played seven years in the NFL with the Rams and Cowboys and is considered a dangerous punt returner.
Austin ran back one punt return for a touchdown in each of his first three NFL seasons including a 98-yard jaunt in his rookie season against the Colts.
Packers special teams coordinator Shawn Mennenga spoke about Austin in his press conference with reporters last week. “He’s an established returner that’s created big plays and had a lot of big things happen,” Mennenga said. “He’s definitely dangerous with the ball in his hands.”
Austin at least provides the Packers with hope that the return game can be revitalized until Ervin is healthy again or perhaps beyond that if Austin proves himself an upgrade at the position.
Mennenga perhaps said it best when he added, “It’s frustrating when you put the time and the effort in like we do. You always want good results. We want to help the team win and when you don’t do those things, it’s very frustrating.”
The Packers have four games left to get things straightened out before the playoffs begin. A big play on special teams either way could make the difference between an early playoff exit or a trip to the Super Bowl.

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Why is it a struggle to have a decent ST every single year?
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beast
3 years ago

Why is it a struggle to have a decent ST every single year?

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I figure a number of reasons... but one of them include that our depth at CB/S/ILB which usually make up a large portion of ST... the depth of those positions have sucked.

Another reason is that the Packers really haven't looked for returner types outside of one on the roster at a time... then they get injured.

And then injuries take a lot of the STer and ask them to play more with the starters and less with STs.

And maybe coaching... ?
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wpr
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3 years ago

I figure a number of reasons... but one of them include that our depth at CB/S/ILB which usually make up a large portion of ST... the depth of those positions have sucked.

Another reason is that the Packers really haven't looked for returner types outside of one on the roster at a time... then they get injured.

And then injuries take a lot of the STer and ask them to play more with the starters and less with STs.

And maybe coaching... ?

Originally Posted by: beast 



It's more than just a fast guy running with the ball.

There are a lot of components to a complete ST team. Kickoff coverage and return. Punt coverage and return along with FG teams.

Injuries do play a factor but other teams have the same exposure but don't consistently have the same problems. If it was mainly injury it would be one year good next year not so good. It's year after year that GB has issues mainly in coverage.

Coaching could be part of the problem but GB has had a few ST coaches in the past 10 years.
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3 years ago

It's more than just a fast guy running with the ball.

There are a lot of components to a complete ST team. Kickoff coverage and return. Punt coverage and return along with FG teams.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Yes but on STs especially, speed kills!

STs scores are larger ranked by Kickers, Returners and Coverage units... which most number of people is needed for cover unit part, which is smart, fast guy, tackling the guy with the ball.

And we've lacked good depth at returners and the positions that usually make good coverage units.

And yes there is also blocking... but usually kicks aren't blocked, no matter who's out there. In theory, our return blocking should be better as we look for big physical WRs and lots of TEs.



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Cheesey
3 years ago
To me, it seems the coverage unit is trying to get downfield so fast, that they can’t make the needed change of direction it takes to match the moves the returner makes. I’d rather give up a few extra yards to the returner and to get him down, then to over run him and watch him as he runs past you.
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nerdmann
3 years ago
I've heard Hunter Bradley has been very shaky with his long snapping. Crosby has missed TWO extra points lately because of it.

JK Scott needs to figure out how he's gonna kick it. If you're going for the coffin corner, you want more of a line drive, so the wind doesn't carry it. But punters don't do thst anymore. So get some hang time. These shitheads can't maintain lane intrgrity. Help them out.

Let's see how Tavon can hold onto the ball (not to jinx him of course.) See if he's still got some of that 4.3 left over. Might even get him on a Jet sweep or two.

The rap on Ervin was always his availability. Dude gets hurt a lot. That's how we were able to pick him up off the street. He's got skills, he just can't hold it all together.
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yooperfan
3 years ago

I've heard Hunter Bradley has been very shaky with his long snapping. Crosby has missed TWO extra points lately because of it.

JK Scott needs to figure out how he's gonna kick it. If you're going for the coffin corner, you want more of a line drive, so the wind doesn't carry it. But punters don't do thst anymore. So get some hang time. These shitheads can't maintain lane intrgrity. Help them out.

Let's see how Tavon can hold onto the ball (not to jinx him of course.) See if he's still got some of that 4.3 left over. Might even get him on a Jet sweep or two.

The rap on Ervin was always his availability. Dude gets hurt a lot. That's how we were able to pick him up off the street. He's got skills, he just can't hold it all together.

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It all starts with the long snapper.
If he fucks up then the holder more than likely fucks up.
And the kicker gets the blame for a miss.
Perhaps the long snapper is the problem with the horse shit punting.

Cheesey
3 years ago
I used to live next door to a guy that was known as “special”.
So I think the name “special” teams fits, for our guys.
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