Smokey
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5 years ago
As our national sports teams scheme and organize to resume play, the thought occurred to me that most medical labs are already buried with a huge backlog of work. Testing players everyday would seem a futile effort if it takes 10 to 14 days to secure test results.

I've not heard of independent labs dedicated to testing MLB or the NBA. I'd think that they and the NFL would have foreseen this critical need to get test results back as soon as possible. They may have already set up their own labs, but I've not heard of such myself.

I began this thread to discuss Covid-19, Professional Sports, and the medical testing that will need to take place to keep all involved as safe as possible. Even with personal protective equipment, people will get Covid-19. Those that will be taking the risk to play will be making a personal decision, but those that chose not to play should not be treated negatively either.

I'll look forward to reading your informative post on this important topic!
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beast
5 years ago

As our national sports teams scheme and organize to resume play, the thought occurred to me that most medical labs are already buried with a huge backlog of work. Testing players everyday would seem a futile effort if it takes 10 to 14 days to secure test results.

I've not heard of independent labs dedicated to testing MLB or the NBA. I'd think that they and the NFL would have foreseen this critical need to get test results back as soon as possible. They may have already set up their own labs, but I've not heard of such myself.

I began this thread to discuss Covid-19, Professional Sports, and the medical testing that will need to take place to keep all involved as safe as possible. Even with personal protective equipment, people will get Covid-19. Those that will be taking the risk to play will be making a personal decision, but those that chose not to play should not be treated negatively either.

I'll look forward to reading your informative post on this important topic!

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Money talks, top level professional sports most likely will be paying extra to get their tests the priority label and get them back much sooner than the general public.

Just my guess.
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Smokey
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5 years ago
Major league sports may have loads to pay for priority service, but can they afford to risk that some Mayor or Governor may not allow the Sports World to unfairly, as they may see it, go to the head of the testing line no matter how much money they offer to pay. The safest and most reliable lab testing must come from league or team owned private labs. Setting up the labs is one thing, the challenge will be hiring the professionals to run the test. Testing supplies may also be a challenge as so many are competing for the same resources. Independent testing labs are the only the only sure way to the fastest test results that will be critical to contain a spread and keep it from sweeping through a locker room.
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beast
5 years ago

Major league sports may have loads to pay for priority service, but can they afford to risk that some Mayor or Governor may not allow the Sports World to unfairly, as they may see it, go to the head of the testing line no matter how much money they offer to pay.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Seriously?

1) Yes they can easily avoid to take that risk, billions at stake and not too much risk

2) Money Talks

3) Most politicians are complete whores when money is talking and they're usually the leaders of doing what's unfair...

4) If someone does block them, just take the test to a different city or state.

5) Love him or hate him, if the current President is still President (he will for the first half of the season at least, if the NFL schedule goes as planned), he's appears to be gladly very willing to use the bully pulpit to get schools and sports up and running as much as possible and would probably welcome the target, to take the oxygen out of the air and get more focus on him.

The safest and most reliable lab testing must come from league or team owned private labs. Setting up the labs is one thing, the challenge will be hiring the professionals to run the test. Testing supplies may also be a challenge as so many are competing for the same resources. Independent testing labs are the only the only sure way to the fastest test results that will be critical to contain a spread and keep it from sweeping through a locker room.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


Do any of the leagues own a lab?

I think you're over thinking this... they got money, they pay professions labs to run the professional tests. With no set-up, and with no buying the lab (unless they want to, which normally they stick with the sports related stuff)
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Smokey
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5 years ago
Medical Labs are currently working at maximum capacity and they are rushing to expand their current facilities. Additionally, placing sports teams ahead of everyone else could lead to even more expensive legal penalties.

Sports teams are businesses first and are not restricted to how they expand their personnel. Most already have their own M.D.s, specialist, trainers, and others either on salary or on retainer that can be summoned as needed. Renting buildings and setting up labs provides teams with a safe, reliable, and legal risk free place where testing can be preformed exclusively for a team/teams in a city.

Waiting for a commercial lab to run test can and likely would take too much time identify personnel infected with Covid-19. Time is the critical factor in protecting a team from this pandemic. I don't believe that any amount of precautions will prevent Covid-19 from shutting down most sports until a medical solution is verified and widely available.


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beast
5 years ago

Medical Labs are currently working at maximum capacity and they are rushing to expand their current facilities.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


Exactly, the experts are doing this, meaning if there are good FAs they're locking them up, making it harder for an outside organization to come in and set up a new shop, from the ground up.

Plus sports teams don't have time to set up, they need something ready now.

You're argument is making a great case on why they should just pay an expert company to put them as a priority to do it.

Additionally, placing sports teams ahead of everyone else could lead to even more expensive legal penalties.

Sports teams are businesses first and are not restricted to how they expand their personnel.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

So first you're saying business putting themselves first "could lead to even more expensive legal penalties."

Then you say business putting themselves first "are not restricted to how they expand their personnel."

Which is it? You're contradicting yourself...

The fact is that the medical field has the right to make certain cases priority, an they often do, either because the medical circumstances is more important, or because in the case of the sports world, they'll pay more for premium services.

Most already have their own M.D.s, specialist, trainers, and others either on salary or on retainer that can be summoned as needed.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Yes, but those are for the players to personally interact with.

They aren't running the drug test, which I believe are being done by a 3rd party vendor, just like the coronavirus test most likely will be.

Renting buildings and setting up labs provides teams with a safe, reliable, and legal risk free place where testing can be preformed exclusively for a team/teams in a city.

Waiting for a commercial lab to run test can and likely would take too much time identify personnel infected with Covid-19. Time is the critical factor in protecting a team from this pandemic. I don't believe that any amount of precautions will prevent Covid-19 from shutting down most sports until a medical solution is verified and widely available.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


Again you're contradicting yourself, saying it'll take too much time for commercial labs to run test, but suggesting they set up their own operation.

Their own operation will probably take at minimum 18 months to fully and properly set up... the vaccine might be out before then.

Also absolutely no sports league has enough test to set up and support the cost of a year round lab.

There is absolutely no difference in a commercial lab from doing it then the NFL doing themselves, other than the NFL has absolutely no experience in this field, would cost a ton of time and money to set up.

Yes they could face a legal battle at some point, but they could absolutely face a legal battle from players if they set up their own in a hurry and screw up.

As long as the commercial labs are willing to make them a priority (and most medical fields, especially business medical testing will if you give them enough cash), then there is no reason not to let the 3rd party experts handle thing instead of attempting a DYI project that's found to have a hiccup or two somewhere.



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Smokey
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5 years ago
Beast, your inability to accept logical arguments does not reflect well upon you. Twisting a case to suit some ill conceived stance just adds to your already poor reputation. I question weather you know the difference between right and wrong.

To restate, sports teams can and should have their own medical testing labs as long as the current pandemic persist. They can provide the rapid testing that more general labs can not. Discovering an infected player/coach asap can be the difference between containing an outbreak and infecting more unnecessarily due to slow testing reports. Furthermore, labs accepting "bribes" to favor sports teams could be legally liable for putting others lives at risk to fast forward team testing that could be as many as 100 or more test per day. Additionally, the bad publicity should such a thing be discovered would never go away.

Setting up testing labs is not that difficult, the trained professionals and the testing supplies may cost more, but paying for that is better than risking lives, reputations, and fan support with some underhanded behavior.

In house testing labs would cost money, but in the end the cost would be less than getting test results back to late to stop a costlier viral spread.
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beast
5 years ago

Beast, your inability to accept logical arguments does not reflect well upon you.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


Lol, I can accept real logical arguments just fine, it's just I can't accept what you're staying because it's based on false preconceived notions, which use clear double standards and full of hypocrisy.

Such as I pointed out, you claim that the NFL as a business can out their business rights as priority, but you false claim commercial Labs can't do the same. WHY?

Because there might be a lawsuit you claim, but there can be a lawsuit either way, but you selective decided to ignore this fact.

Because it's cost too much time you claim, but setting up a while new hiring, facility in staff would cost even more time, but you selective choose to ignore this fact.

Because politicians MIGHT ban it you claim, but as you pointed out, if it's a private business they have business rights and are allowed to put priority over what comes first by whom pays what, and the sports could simply go to a different jurisdiction. But you selective ignore this fact.

Also, you have claimed they already have medical staff in place, but that faulty assumption assumes they run these mass tests, which I don't believe they do... as I believe there have been some case (Richard Sherman) where some of the drug testing has been contaminated while in holding of 3rd party company.

And you have completely failed to explain why the NFL (always looking at profits) would not go the easier, cheaper, more certified and qualified history than doing what you say...


So really it's your inability to make a logical argument on this subject of why they have to do what Smokey says, instead of what they normally do.

Beast, your inability to accept logical arguments does not reflect well upon you. Twisting a case to suit some ill conceived stance just adds to your already poor reputation. I question weather you know the difference between right and wrong.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

I'm smart enough to realize that different people have different opinions of what's right in and wrong, and I'm not stupid enough to think my opinion is the only one that matters.

Just because you THINK it's wrong, in no way makes something wrong for everyone.

Furthermore, labs accepting "bribes" to favor sports teams could be legally liable for putting others lives at risk to fast forward team testing that could be as many as 100 or more test per day.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

If they're an independent business they have the right to go after more money. Just because you deem it as wrong, doesn't mean it's not done every single day, with no legal liable.

This assumption of your so far appears to be false as American business are generally allowed to do whatevers best for their business.
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beast
5 years ago
News Flash

NBA and MLS have already been doing what I've said in July.

Major League Soccer's restart tournament rolled on this week in front of TV cameras but not fans. These athletes, and NBA players, are both living and playing in protective bubbles in the Orlando area. They've been getting daily or every-other-day testing with very quick results. For the NBA an average turnaround time of about 12 to 15 hours. For MLS, 12 to 24 hours.

NPR wrote:



So contrary to all the smoke, weather it's right or wrong, it is being done!
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Cheesey
5 years ago
I keep seeing where NFL players want to play this season, but want the NFL to make it safer.
Pray tell, how do they do that? Wrap each player in bubble wrap?
Other sports, NBA, MLB and so on aren’t contact sports like the NFL is. There is a little contact in them, but not constant every play hard contact.
I see it as “we want to play, but if we get sick we want to be able to blame the NFL and be able to sue them for boatloads if money”.
No one can guarantee that they won’t catch the disease.
I think they want to make sure to get their multi million dollar checks.
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