Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Yeah, I guess Aaron should’ve played DLine or MLB in that game and stopped the run. That loss is almost 100% on the shitty defensive play.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



Aaron Rodgers threw two INT's and fumbled three times (one lost), that's on the Packers defense? Let's stop with the bullshit. The Packers were not on the same level as the 49ers on any front last season, period.
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go.pack.go.
4 years ago

Aaron Rodgers threw two INT's and fumbled three times (one lost), that's on the Packers defense? Let's stop with the bullshit. The Packers were not on the same level as the 49ers on any front last season, period.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That’s a fact. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a defense get man handled so consistently, especially when they knew exactly what the offense was going to do.

My point is, they could’ve helped fix that issue last night. Instead, we drafted a player who probably won’t contribute for 4+ years. And Rodgers may still be playing at a high level by the time Love’s rookie contract expires. I think drafting the future QB this year was very premature. Especially to trade up for one in the first round. I hope I’m wrong. And I hope Love succeeds in the NFL, but my hopes aren’t too high.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

That’s a fact. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a defense get man handled so consistently, especially when they knew exactly what the offense was going to do.

My point is, they could’ve helped fix that issue last night. Instead, we drafted a player who probably won’t contribute for 4+ years. And Rodgers may still be playing at a high level by the time Love’s rookie contract expires. I think drafting the future QB this year was very premature. Especially to trade up for one in the first round. I hope I’m wrong. And I hope Love succeeds in the NFL, but my hopes aren’t too high.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



Sorry, I think that's trash. If anyone thinks a rookie is going to come in and be the difference, they don't really understand nor appreciate the thorough ass whipping the Packers took from the 49ers ... twice. Outside of maybe Chase Young, there is not anyone in this draft (based on the "experts" analysis) that would have helped.

I was hoping the Packers take a WR in round two, and still hope for that. I was thinking the Packers would take a OL in round one.

I was hoping the Packers board showed the best available would be a LB and he'd be able to at least contribute SOME to the Packers 2020. By some, I'm saying even in a rotational role like Rashan Gary in 2019. A QB provides absolutely nothing in 2020. I don't expect rookies to be difference makers, but I do like to first round picks on the field even in a part-time role.

That all being said, I am trusting the Packers more than what I wanted because well, I freaking SUCK at drafting (e.g. my disgust in Packers taking WR Greg Jennings instead of WR Chad Jackson) and have since stopped getting bent out of shape over a pick.

I thought this was interesting about Jordan Love. Figured since this is a JORDAN LOVE topic, we should PROBABLY talk about the dude.
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go.pack.go.
4 years ago

Sorry, I think that's trash. If anyone thinks a rookie is going to come in and be the difference, they don't really understand nor appreciate the thorough ass whipping the Packers took from the 49ers ... twice. Outside of maybe Chase Young, there is not anyone in this draft (based on the "experts" analysis) that would have helped.

I was hoping the Packers take a WR in round two, and still hope for that. I was thinking the Packers would take a OL in round one.

I was hoping the Packers board showed the best available would be a LB and he'd be able to at least contribute SOME to the Packers 2020. By some, I'm saying even in a rotational role like Rashan Gary in 2019. A QB provides absolutely nothing in 2020. I don't expect rookies to be difference makers, but I do like to first round picks on the field even in a part-time role.

That all being said, I am trusting the Packers more than what I wanted because well, I freaking SUCK at drafting (e.g. my disgust in Packers taking WR Greg Jennings instead of WR Chad Jackson) and have since stopped getting bent out of shape over a pick.

I thought this was interesting about Jordan Love. Figured since this is a JORDAN LOVE topic, we should PROBABLY talk about the dude.
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



So it sounds like we agree then. We were both hoping and thinking that we should not have drafted (especially not traded up) a QB in round 1 this year.

Also- there have been plenty of instances where first round players made big impacts on teams their rookie year. It’s not unreasonable to think that’s possible. Perhaps this year is a bit different since there is going to practically be no offseason.

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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

Okay, serious post:

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


Fantastic post, sir. You said almost everything I was planning on saying, only you put it better than I could have. I've been secretly rooting for the Packers to take Love ever since the idea first started being floated a couple months ago, but I kept my wish to myself because I don't feel qualified to talk intelligently about college football.

In any case, I've been wanting the Packers to take a quarterback high for a couple years now, and I'm absolutely loving this pick, mainly because I think it will help reveal Rodgers' true colors. If this makes Rodgers rise to the occasion, take a few more risks in key situations, and give all of the tools at his disposal the benefit of the doubt, great—the Packers have the potential to sweep through the NFC like the Mongol horde. If he chooses to sulk or pout and turns all passive-aggressive on management and coaching staff like he did with the previous regime, then some of the shine and mystique surrounding him will wear off, and he'll punch his ticket out of Green Bay. There will always be another team willing to take a flyer on him for the right price.

Meanwhile, as disappointing as it might be not to have brought in a top-flight receiver, maybe it's not such a great loss. With Rodgers' increasingly risk-averse (and some might say entitled) mentality, drafting an elite pass catcher have turned out to be casting pearls before swine, especially in a year in which rookies are going to get effectively no offseason reps. This way the Packers get their quarterback of the future for the same price as they would have paid for an inexperienced—and likely underused—wide receiver. I don't see it as any great loss, and it could turn out to be a great gain, particularly if another team comes knocking with a tranche of valuable picks on offer. All of which is to say that taking a receiver in the first round could easily have turned out to be just as much of a waste in the short term as taking a quarterback appears to be right now.

For those of you wishing for a receiver, tight end, or linebacker, can you think of any teams who might be on the market for a win-now quarterback and could have quality receiving or linebacking talent they'd be willing to swap?

As for all the Packers fans on Twitter whining that Green Bay is disrespecting Aaron Rodgers and threatening to stop watching games, they're idiots and can be dismissed out of hand. This is a business, a brutal, coldhearted business, and there's no room for sentimentality. When the time comes to move on from Aaron Rodgers, which based on the terms of his contract probably won't be for another year or two, tear the Band-Aid off quickly and be done with it.
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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

The Packers overachieved in 2019, in large part due to winning close games. History suggests they won’t have the same kind of success next year in these kinds of games. I think they are closer to an 8 or 9-win team than they are to a 13-win team. They are far more than a rookie WR or rookie LB away. This roster needs a ton of work.

Point 2 is that Rodgers has 3 years left on his contract. He will play that deal out, while Love sits behind him and develops. Love then gets 1 year to prove it before Green Bay can excercise his 5th year option (assuming he does). . . . But there is logic behind the pick. It’s not as if GB panicked. They clearly have a vision and it looks a lot like what Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson did.

Originally Posted by: porky88 


Thank you. I made these very same points in the chat last night. Gutekunst signaled pretty clearly in the media that he was interested in taking a quarterback early. People may have assumed he was throwing out red herrings, but it's not like this is coming out of the blue.

For those who are wondering why Gutekunst traded up, a couple of thoughts: First, he only had to trade away a fourth-round pick to move up. If he genuinely believes he has his quarterback of the future, that's not a steep price to pay, especially since no player taken at that spot in the first round was likely to make an immediate impact on offense anyway. Second, it's entirely possible that Gutekunst had his finger to the wind and learned that some other team was prepared to make a move to take Love (rumors have circulated that Seattle Indy, for example, was keen on him), and he simply preempted them. Like Matt said, Gutekunst had his vision, and he executed it. Right or wrong I applaud him for playing the cards he was dealt.

For the record, I don't think the comparison to the Saints are on point. New Orleans has a much more solid roster from top to bottom and truly is in a win-now mode. They also don't have a quarterback who has shown a tendency to be temperamental. Brees takes what he's given and makes the best of it.
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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

there have been plenty of instances where first round players made big impacts on teams their rookie year.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 


Sure, but how many of those players had next to no practice time? I think the injury rate for rookies is going to spike this year. They're just not going to be in football shape. On the other hand, they're going to have plenty of time to study the playbook this offseason.
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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

By that standard, the Packers got a good deal on Love.
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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

I had the exact same thought: Gutekunst signaled his willingness to draft a quarterback early last year. It didn't work out. There's no reason to be stunned that he would be willing to try again this year.
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One of the reasons this site is so valuable to me is the different point of view. I really did not like this pick at first, but reading through some of the following brought me to a net neutral position. There were a lot of great posts, but I want to point out just three that were excellent so thank you esp to Porky, Zero, and Dr. NSD these are great thoughts

I keep reading that GB needs to win now because of Rodgers and that they are one or two players away. Look, I wish that was the case, but the Packers were hardly a dominant football team last year. They struggled against Washington, Detroit, and Carolina - who all picked in the top 10. San Diego whipped them. The Packers overachieved in 2019, in large part due to winning close games. History suggests they won’t have the same kind of success next year in these kinds of games. I think they are closer to an 8 or 9-win team than they are to a 13-win team. They are far more than a rookie WR or rookie LB away. This roster needs a ton of work.

Originally Posted by: porky88 


DrNSD

In any case, I've been wanting the Packers to take a quarterback high for a couple years now, and I'm absolutely loving this pick, mainly because I think it will help reveal Rodgers' true colors. If this makes Rodgers rise to the occasion, take a few more risks in key situations, and give all of the tools at his disposal the benefit of the doubt, great—the Packers have the potential to sweep through the NFC like the Mongol horde. If he chooses to sulk or pout and turns all passive-aggressive on management and coaching staff like he did with the previous regime, then some of the shine and mystique surrounding him will wear off, and he'll punch his ticket out of Green Bay. There will always be another team willing to take a flyer on him for the right price.


Zero,

If anyone thinks a rookie is going to come in and be the difference, they don't really understand nor appreciate the thorough ass whipping the Packers took from the 49ers ... twice. Outside of maybe Chase Young, there is not anyone in this draft (based on the "experts" analysis) that would have helped.



I really think they wanted the USC tackle who was projected as a late 1 early 2, When he was gone I think they figured....what the hell, this is the best player on the board.

Also remember, it was the junior year tape of Brett F the Ron Wolf looked at to trade for #4. As Beast pointed out, the kid's junior year was terrific, in a good system, with some talent around him.

Perhaps they think Funchess is better than we do. In addition to a tackle, I still think we need a slot guy, a LB and an interior DL.

On to round 2.
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