wpr
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4 years ago

What's the problem with touching your face? I understand washing your hands correctly. I just am not sure how touching your face is good or bad, or what purpose it has to being mentioned.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Transferring germs. If you have germs on your hands you are getting them into open places on your face. (Eyes, ears, nose mouth.) Now you are infected. If you are already infected you are getting the germs on to your hands that you just washed a few minutes ago and can now spread it through handshakes or touching surfaces like doorknobs handrails, counter tops or whatever.
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Cheesey
4 years ago
Unless you tie your hands down to your sides, you WILL touch your own face. It’s just normal.
And if this is such a super bug, will washing your hands stop it? Or even slow it down? I kind of doubt it. To me, that’s like putting on a extra thick shirt to try to stop a bullet.
It’s obviously going to run it’s course.
If you have to go to work, or school, or to buy groceries, you will come in contact with other humans. Thus putting yourself in “danger”.
Yes, we need to TRY to be careful, but there’s just so much you can do. Even touching the hand sanitizers that stores put out could end up contaminating you. Or the bathroom soap dispenser. How many thousands of people touch those things?
If this disease is so easily transmissible, I don’t see how a few squirts of soap is going to help a lot.
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Porforis
4 years ago

What's the problem with touching your face? I understand washing your hands correctly. I just am not sure how touching your face is good or bad, or what purpose it has to being mentioned.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Eyes, nose, and mouth are the best way for a respiratory virus to actually infect you.

Let's say your gross coworkers don't stay home from work when they have the coronavirus (or flu, or cold, etc) and after blowing their nose, gets a bit of virus on their hands. They leave the office for lunch, open up the door, and deposit some of that virus onto the door handle.

You also go to the lunch later, and touch that door handle, transferring a little bit of that virus to your hands. However, there's really no way for that virus to infect you through the skin on your hands. Which, doesn't do the virus much good - that's not really tissue that the virus can infect and replicate in. But, let's say you drive to lunch and while you're stopped in traffic, put your hand against your face or rub your eyes, or pick at your teeth, or scratch your nose - You're now providing that virus a potential path to tissue it actually CAN infect, or at least gets it a lot closer.

In regards to Cheesey's soap comment... Soap doesn't kill viruses and for the most part, even "antibacterial" hand soap isn't actually going to kill bacteria. The point of washing your hands with soap and water is largely that the soap and water, plus friction of rubbing your hands together sloughs the vast majority virus/bacteria off your hands and down the drain. Doesn't matter if it's a "superbug" or not - the mechanism of soap isn't to kill the virus, it's to get it off your hands.

Regarding bathroom soap dispensers requiring a physical touch, same deal. Yeah, they're gross but then you're washing off anything you've picked up from it. If you want to be super careful though, turning off the faucet with your hand isn't great, use a paper towel or the back of your arm or something.

I promise I'm not a germaphobe lol. Just get extremely frequent respiratory infections on account of severe allergies, so I do everything I can to try to get sick say, once every other month instead of once every 3-4 weeks.
Cheesey
4 years ago
I understand all of what is said.
You wash your hands correctly, and that might help.
How much do they really know about this disease? I can’t help but wonder if germ warfare is involved somehow.
I believe this disease has been around for quite awhile. So what caused it to escalate now?

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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Transferring germs. If you have germs on your hands you are getting them into open places on your face. (Eyes, ears, nose mouth.) Now you are infected. If you are already infected you are getting the germs on to your hands that you just washed a few minutes ago and can now spread it through handshakes or touching surfaces like doorknobs handrails, counter tops or whatever.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Ahh, I see. I guess, being extremely fortunate that I rarely ever get sick and when I do it is just a bump in the road -- I don't really consider/think of these things. If I am feeling down or under the weather, I usually wash my hands more thoroughly and avoid touching handles with my skin. I've used my elbows or feet to open doors.
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Porforis
4 years ago

I understand all of what is said.
You wash your hands correctly, and that might help.
How much do they really know about this disease? I can’t help but wonder if germ warfare is involved somehow.
I believe this disease has been around for quite awhile. So what caused it to escalate now?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I mean, I welcome you asking questions but you're also making some really serious suggestions that are very easily disproven.

How much do they know about it? A lot .

Do they know 100% for sure where it came from originally before beginning to infect humans? No, but same goes for virtually every virus including influenza. Based on research into this virus, many extremely similar viruses were found in horseshoe bats (including one with 96% similarity). Keep in mind we're weeks into this thing. Given the presence of these bats in the Wuhan region, the presence of virtually identical viruses in these bats, and the presence of these bats in food consumed by humans in Wuhan marketplaces around the time of the outbreak, this is why this is what the WHO is accepting as the source of the virus. Can it be 100% proven? No. Even if you had a 100% match (not really a thing when you're talking about viruses) found in bats, and you found a video of someone capturing a bat, then chopping it up and serving it to people you could prove then contracted cornoavirus, that doesn't PROVE anything - maybe the bats were infected by humans? Maybe a foreign power intentionally created the virus in a lab and then infected animals they knew would pass it on to humans eventually? You can always find ways to make conspiracies out of things if you try.

Germ warfare... How would that make sense? You were just saying that it's basically like the flu or a particularly bad strain of the flu. If this is the case, what's the purpose of devoting likely tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to create a new virus when there's one just like it that your targets already have? Why create an incredibly contagious virus that can and will infect your own citizens just as easily? Who gains from this at the end of the day?
wpr
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4 years ago
Here's a great article that explains how soap destroys viruses.

How soap absolutely annihilates the coronavirus
 

In a recent phone call, he explained why soap is such an effective Covid-19 killer and why it’s so important to soap your hands for at least 20 seconds.

First up: What is soap?
Soap, Thordarson explains, is common phrase for what chemists call “amphiphiles.” These are molecules that have a dual nature. One end of the molecule is attracted to water and repelled by fats and proteins. The other side of the molecule is attracted to fats and is repelled by water. (If you’re looking out for product labels, the most common soap is “sodium laureth sulfate” — it’s a detergent that’s often mixed with other chemicals to both clean our hands and not damage our skin.)

It’s this dual-nature chemical construction that makes soap so effective. “When you buy a conventional soap, it consists of a mixture of these amphiphiles,” Thordarson explains. And they all do the same thing.

Think about what happens when you pour some olive oil into water. The oil pools up in a mass that floats. “That’s because fats don’t mix with water,” he says. But mix some soap into the oil and water and the oil will disperse. Basically, that happens because the soap is attracted to the grease, via its fat-loving side, but then tears it up, pulling it into the water via its water-loving side. It’s a one-two punch. Surround the oil particles and move them away from one another.

Now, lucky for us, coronaviruses are a bit like the oil mentioned in the above example: bits of genetic information — encoded by RNA — surrounded by a coat of fat and protein. Thordarson likes to call viruses “nano-sized grease balls.” And grease balls, no matter the size, are the exact type of thing soap loves to annihilate.

How soap destroys viruses
The soap takes care of the virus much like it takes care of the oil in the water. “It’s almost like a crowbar; it starts to pull all the things apart,” Thordarson says.

One side of the soap molecule (the one that’s attracted to fat and repelled by water) buries its way into the virus’s fat and protein shell. Fortunately, the chemical bonds holding the virus together aren’t very strong, so this intrusion is enough to break the virus’s coat. “You pull the virus apart, you make it soluble in water, and it disintegrates,” he says.

Then the harmless shards of virus get flushed down the drain.

The trick is this all takes a little time to happen, and that’s why you need to take at least 20 seconds to wash your hands.

First off, your skin is wrinkly, and it takes time for soap to penetrate into all the tiny folds and demolish the viruses that lurk within. Then the soap needs a few moments to do its chemical work. “You do need a bit of time for all the soap to interact back and forth with the virus particle,” he says. Twenty seconds should do the trick just fine.

Alcohol, the main ingredient in hand sanitizer, can destroy viruses, too. Sanitizers “actually work in a similar way, the alcohol molecules are somewhat amphiphiles,” he says. The thing is, you need a very high concentration of alcohol to achieve the same effect. (Chemicals called quaternary ammonium compounds — the main ingredient in Lysol — kill viruses too but can be a bit harsher on the skin.)

The CDC recommends a sanitizer that’s 60 percent alcohol, so beware of sanitizers or wipes on the market that don’t meet this standard (or contain alcohol at all). Hand sanitizer is useful, but it can fail in un-ideal situations. If your hands are wet or sweaty when you use the sanitizer, that can dilute it and diminish its effectiveness. Also, sanitizer doesn’t clean your hands of sticky grease to which viruses can also adhere.

“Soap doesn’t really fail easily,” Thordarson says. It doesn’t really matter the formulation of soap, either. You don’t need “antibacterial soap” — which the Food and Drug Administration advises to skip altogether due to a lack of evidence of its usefulness. And you don’t need a super-harsh detergent like you’d put in your dishwasher or laundry machine. Simple soap works fine. “As long as you give it a little bit of time, it will do its job.”

All of this, at least, makes me excited to wash my hand more. As I’m washing with soap and water and counting to 20, I’m going to imagine a battle being waged on the nano-scale in the teeny-tiny folds of my skin. The soap is charging in, sticking to viruses (as well as dirt and other grease), and tearing them apart in brutal, heroic fashion. It’s almost like the Avengers, but better. Because it’s real. And it can help stop the spread of this outbreak.


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Cheesey
4 years ago
What is happening?!?!
I went to pick n save (grocery store)
To get a few items. Their toilet paper aisle was EMPTY!
Then Walmart, EMPTY!
No toilet paper.
Is there some secret toilet paper shortage around the world?
Geez.....what’s next?
Is it happening where you guys live?
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KRK
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4 years ago
This is an example of how friggin ridiculous this thing has gotten. Is there seriously going to be an ass wipe shortage.

Yes this is serious, but most ass wipe is from Green Bay, so what is the friggin issue.

Let's whip everyone into a frenzy and wonder why the system freezes up.

We are such friggin pansies in this country....our grandfathers were getting shot at by Nazi's and Japs and they persevered.

We live in such a chicken shit country, that we cancel NCAA tournament. Play the damn games sans fans if necessary, test the kids daily, but my goodness, what an overreaction.

Land of the free an home of the pansies.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
rabidgopher04
4 years ago

This is an example of how friggin ridiculous this thing has gotten. Is there seriously going to be an ass wipe shortage.

Yes this is serious, but most ass wipe is from Green Bay, so what is the friggin issue.

Let's whip everyone into a frenzy and wonder why the system freezes up.

We are such friggin pansies in this country....our grandfathers were getting shot at by Nazi's and Japs and they persevered.

We live in such a chicken shit country, that we cancel NCAA tournament. Play the damn games sans fans if necessary, test the kids daily, but my goodness, what an overreaction.

Land of the free an home of the pansies.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Working to eliminate the spread of a virus with a much higher mortality rate than the more widespread flu virus makes people pansies? Ok....


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