Rodgers Apologists vs Rodgers Antagonists· Page 6

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

5 years ago

You remember when Rodgers completed 24-of-35 passes for 333 yards and five touchdown passes against zero interceptions, good for a 138.5 passer rating against the Chiefs a few years ago? PFF graded him quite poorly there.

I would rather the Rodgers who dink and dunked vs Chiefs than the one who aired it out ~20 times vs the Lions.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Minor digression: 4 years later and only 4 players are left from that game on the offense (Rodgers, Adams, Bahk and Linsley)

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dyeah_gb
Member

5 years ago

#52

The Packers went deep-ball crazy against the Lions, but is it really so crazy?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra

That is a damn shame that they are defending that crap plan and execution. When your plan has a success rate of 0%, find something else.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

Cheesey
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#53

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
If something isn’t working, you need to try something else.
If the long ball isn’t working, try quick short passes.

KRK
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#54

Apologist here.....I finally got the chance to watch the game. [list=1]

Yes, Rodgers was off in first half.

He left 14 points on the field

Notwithstanding the foregoing[list]

There were 3 drops

None of those passes were interceptions

He made 3 fantastic thread the need throws which only a couple of QB could have made.[/list][/list]One the ways you analyze things is to see what happened in those mistakes:[list=1][*]All the major missed were touch passes[*]His touch accuracy has not been as good (which had been astronomical) since the broken collar bone[*]NONE OF THOSE PASSES WERE INTERCEPTED. Yes, I know I repeated this point, because it is the most important point.[/list]In the second half, he stopped dicking around and and fired the ball most of the time and he was terrific....great throws (one miss) and great decision making. The interception had the effect of a net 60 yard punt on a third and 20 situation. Rodgers of 2 years ago doesn't make that throw which, IMO, was the right decision. That is one of the flawed aspects of the QBR and PFF ratings...they measure that the same way they would a int on a 2nd and 1.

I suggest some of you folks actually count the missed throws by a Brady, Cousins, Brees, et al and use the same level of critical analysis you use on Rodgers.Further, I disagree with those of you who thought is was a bad game plan. Had Rodgers hit those and receivers not dropped those, they would have been up by at least 7 at the half.I do not disagree if the criticism is focused on the running game plan...I did not see any whams, traps etc., which were so effective against Minnesota. It is moronic to run the two tight end, 2 wide out, 1 back set on short yardage. It limits the blocking assignment options and lets the interior defensive linemen tee off. A couple of our guys get destroyed on that set. STOP IT ALREADY. Also, I would like to see a tight end in the backfield occasionally used as a fullback. Also, you could shift him up to the wing/tight slot to enable more blocking possibilities.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

yooperfan
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#55

The Green Bay Packers started the decade just ended with a Super Bowl victory.
Packers nation had a lot to be excited about for most of that decade.
Today, the beginning of a new decade, the Packers are in the playoffs once again.
Except at the start of the new decade, based on Rodgers play this season, we as fans can no longer expect Rodgers to shoulder the load.
If he puts up another game like he did in Detroit in the playoffs, the Rodgers window has most likely slammed shut.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#56

I rarely watch NFL games that the Packers aren’t in. So it’s hard for me to judge Rodgers against other QBs.
I really don’t know how many passes are missed by other NFL QBs.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

5 years ago

#57

Apologist here.....I finally got the chance to watch the game. [list=1]

Yes, Rodgers was off in first half.

He left 14 points on the field

Notwithstanding the foregoing[list]

There were 3 drops

None of those passes were interceptions

He made 3 fantastic thread the need throws which only a couple of QB could have made.[/list][/list]One the ways you analyze things is to see what happened in those mistakes:[list=1]

All the major missed were touch passes

His touch accuracy has not been as good (which had been astronomical) since the broken collar bone

NONE OF THOSE PASSES WERE INTERCEPTED. Yes, I know I repeated this point, because it is the most important point.[/list]In the second half, he stopped dicking around and and fired the ball most of the time and he was terrific....great throws (one miss) and great decision making. The interception had the effect of a net 60 yard punt on a third and 20 situation. Rodgers of 2 years ago doesn't make that throw which, IMO, was the right decision. That is one of the flawed aspects of the QBR and PFF ratings...they measure that the same way they would a int on a 2nd and 1.

Originally Posted by: KRK

I think this has several fantastic points.
Yes, Rodgers made some throws only handful of people can make. Thus, gives understanding to some of us who say "he is missing throws he shouldn't miss" tons of frustration. Remember when James Jones would make incredible or impossible catches but drop the 5 step button hooks or other routine catches? Same principle here. If you can do THAT, why can't do the simple things?

Regarding the game plan. Absolutely. If Rodgers hits on half of them, we are talking about a blow-out. Shit, maybe LaFleur was treating this as an exhibition game where yeah you want to win, but let's practice the shit out of our deep ball passing?

I saw mention of the interception. That was an under-thrown ball.

Something Mason Crosby said that has stuck out and I just remembered. Crosby said kicking in that dome is always tricky. I wonder if their some weird wind paths because of the vents or something? I'm probably over analyzing, but that comment has stuck with me. I mean, it's a freaking dome, how can it be tricky?

wpr
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#58

I think this has several fantastic points.

Something Mason Crosby said that has stuck out and I just remembered. Crosby said kicking in that dome is always tricky. I wonder if their some weird wind paths because of the vents or something? I'm probably over analyzing, but that comment has stuck with me. I mean, it's a freaking dome, how can it be tricky?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

KRK did have an interesting post.

The old Astrodome had wind currents. The league had to issue a warning to Houston. They would turn the OF blowers on high when the opposition was batting and turn the blowers behind home plate on when they were up to bat. There was not any proof that it mattered so no fines were issued.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#59

I think this has several fantastic points.

Yes, Rodgers made some throws only handful of people can make. Thus, gives understanding to some of us who say "he is missing throws he shouldn't miss" tons of frustration. Remember when James Jones would make incredible or impossible catches but drop the 5 step button hooks or other routine catches? Same principle here. If you can do THAT, why can't do the simple things?

Regarding the game plan. Absolutely. If Rodgers hits on half of them, we are talking about a blow-out. Shit, maybe LaFleur was treating this as an exhibition game where yeah you want to win, but let's practice the shit out of our deep ball passing?

I saw mention of the interception. That was an under-thrown ball.

Something Mason Crosby said that has stuck out and I just remembered. Crosby said kicking in that dome is always tricky. I wonder if their some weird wind paths because of the vents or something? I'm probably over analyzing, but that comment has stuck with me. I mean, it's a freaking dome, how can it be tricky?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I recall hearing speculation in the past that the air handling units at Ford Field were being manipulated to cause air currents when the opponent had the ball.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

5 years ago

#60

Coach LaFleur was asked about the over throws today. He says natural reaction when you look back for the ball is you slow down. He says they coach the players to keep their arms pumping and said that is part of the reason why some of the passes were over thrown. Apparently LaFleur is in the "Apologists" group. 🤣🤣

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