KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
5 years ago
First, I have a proven track record of being wrong on my draft evaluations in the past....repeatedly and consistantly....from Tony Mandarich to Oren Burks, who I thought would start and dominate day one.

With those caveats...here goes....some thoughts re-posted from other threads.

Overall:[list]
  • It is a very athletic group[*]Clearly there is some development that needs to be done near term, so Gutey must trust the staff[*]Clearly, the staff had a helluva lot of input. I like it, because these guys are going to sink and swim together[*]They must feel Burks/Josh Jones are going to be seeing alot of time at LB...they better have a big jump[*]I am a huge Pettine fan and so must the organization be, as we are drafting to his schemes...dare I say to very specific need[*]They are counting on Allison and some of our youngsters to step it up...you gotta gamble somewhere[*]As Buckeye pointed out, we may very well see huge turnover at guard....fine with me.[*]The drafting and defense seem to me to be New England like, with tons of flexible players.[/list]Since everyone at Lombardi Avenue seems to be on the same page....I am good with it.
  • Specifically:[list][*]I think we could have gotton Gary lower, i.e. traded down and net kept a fourth rounder[*]LOVE the safety (see above, which means he'll suck)[*]Getsy clearly has the ear of the organization as at least two guys were linked to him[/list][*]Although not the specific guys I wanted, I am happy we are trying to upgrade the guard play.
    In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
    buckeyepackfan
    5 years ago



    Where's Savage?
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    KRK
    • KRK
    • Veteran Member
    5 years ago
    Buckeye...it shows on my viewing of Z2C's post

    1st Round (12th Overall) DE Rashan Gary
    1st Round (21st Overall) DB Darnell Savage Jr
    2nd Round (44th Overall) G Elgton Jenkins
    3rd Round (75th Overall) TE Jace Sternberger
    5th Round (150th Overall) DE Kingsley Keke
    6th Round (185th Overall) CB Ka'dar Hollman
    6th Round (194th Overall) RB Dexter Williams
    7th Round (226th Overall) ILB Ty Summers


    In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
    wpr
    • wpr
    • Preferred Member
    5 years ago
    Being a non expert who does not sit and watch hours and hours of tape on hundreds and hundreds of players, I am overall satisfied with the draft. There will always be questions. Why did they take this player. Why didn't they take that one.

    Above all I would love to sit in the draft room and listen to their conversations.

    I mentioned it in another post, I find it very convenient that positions of need dovetailed so well with the BPA.
    Mucky Tundra
    5 years ago
    [list]
  • I'm completely divided on the Gary pick. One minute I'm worried about his shoulder and lack of refinement, then I watch a clip and fall in love with his speed and athleticism. Regardless, Gutey wouldn't have drafted him if Pettine didn't think he could do something with him and that's enough for me at the moment.
  • While it came at a high cost, I absolutely love Savage as a future starting FS. Dude plays like a heat seeking missile. With a steady vet like Amos alongside him, I think the bumps in the road with this guy will be minimized
  • Was hoping we could grab one of the OTs that fell out of the first round at #44, but I like Jenkins in the middle with the ability to play G or C if Linsley gets hurt.
  • Sternberger looks like the seam busting threat we haven't had since Finley went down against the Browns in 2013. Him and Graham should be able to be big bodied targets in the red zone if LaFleurs scheme works as advertised. And that's probably all he'll be doing this year given how rookie TEs work.
  • Keke looks like a real intriguing piece. Surprisingly athletic and quick given his build.
  • Was happy with the drafting of Hollman as I wanted a day 3 pick for depth at CB. Another burner in the secondary and will contribute on ST if he makes the cut in training camp.
  • Williams might be the best value pick in this draft class. Looks like a guy who can immediately plug a role (#2 RB). Also happy with this pick as a I wanted a day 3 pick for depth at RB.
  • Summers looks like the typical 7th rounder: good camp fodder and will be a ST guy if he makes the team

  • In general & misc:
  • Gutey is clearly getting guys that Pettine wants
  • Gutey is also big on speed and athleticism
  • With the additions of Savage, Hollman and Amos on top of King, Alexander and Jones, we have some real speed in our secondary and they don't look afraid to hit. No more Haha's, Peprahs or MacMillians here. That said, some of them are on the small side and durability might be an issue
  • I still stand by my assessment that this D-Line could be a monster  this year.
  • Montravius Adams might be in trouble, esp if Mo Wilkerson is brought back (supposedly offered a one year deal that's pending on a physical)
  • Not looking good for McCray, Taylor and Spriggs either . Personally, I think there's going to be a blood-letting of Thompsons guys at the end of training camp
  • I'm officially dubbing Za'Darius Smith and Preston Smith as Z-Smith and P-Smith. Also, I'm dubbing Jamaal Williams and Dexter Williams as J-Williams and D-Williams (or J-Will and D-Will for short).
  • Sternberger, Keke and D-Will are One Year Wonders of sorts. Sternberger from transferring, Keke from switching positions and D-Will from only playing one year.
  • While I like St. Brown and MVS, I admit I'm worried about the WR position. Outside of Adams, there's no real proven commodity.
  • Speaking of thin positions, there's the ILB spot. It's somewhat mitigated with sub packages and using Jones in the box but it remains an eye sore.
  • I think the RB group will be a darkhorse on offense this year. Aaron Jones and D-Will look like a nice 1-2 combo and will allow J-Will to settle in as a nuts and bolts/little big of everything guy.
  • Outside of trading up for Savage, Gutey seemed to get the guys he wanted at the spots where we drafted. #steelyeyedassassin
  • Did you know that Savage is a Savage Jr? Meaning there's a Savage Senior?! Sounds like a guy who eats meat uncooked and is tougher that a coffin nail.
  • The Packers subreddit on reddit is trying to dub our secondary as the Legion of Zoom. I can get behind this idea.
  • Does Keke love us ?
  • With our current depth at ILB, it almost makes me wish we had AJ Hawk back. Almost.

  • [/list]
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    go.pack.go.
    5 years ago
    I was really hoping for an ILB and a WR, and was hoping they would be higher end picks. These are really the only two positions that I am really concerned about on our roster at this point in time.
    nerdmann
    5 years ago
    WR could be an issue, but we've got Allison and Kumerow in case the young 'uns don't step it up. That's what they're there for. The worst case scenario.

    However I do expect them to take that 2nd year jump, especially Jmon, who has the potential to be Davante 2.0. MVS could be a Donald Driver type dude.

    So if the rooks step forward, we're good. If they don't, we're just ok. Out of the three, at least two will come on strong, imo. This offense will play to their strengths.
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    Zero2Cool
    5 years ago



    Okay, so here is who I was hoping we would draft at the actual selected positions.
    1st 12th - DE Brian Burns
    1st 21st - DE Montez Sweat
    2nd 44th - WR A. J. Brown
    3rd 75th - TE Jace Sternberger


    I really had no actual thoughts about the other ones. And to be honest, I know NOTHING about the players other than what I've read and found online so my "preference" picks are crap shoot. So, if somehow those first three turn into Hall of Fame players, it was purely luck. And if they turn out to be complete washouts, that's more accurately depicting my knowledge of college players.
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    Zero2Cool (4h) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
    dfosterf (7h) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
    dfosterf (7h) : Trade, cut or keep
    dfosterf (9h) : that from Jaire
    dfosterf (9h) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
    Zero2Cool (9h) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
    dfosterf (9h) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
    Zero2Cool (9h) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
    dfosterf (9h) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
    dfosterf (9h) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
    dfosterf (9h) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
    dfosterf (9h) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
    Zero2Cool (9h) : That someone ... likely the agent.
    Zero2Cool (9h) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
    Zero2Cool (9h) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
    Zero2Cool (10h) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
    dfosterf (11h) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
    dfosterf (11h) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
    dfosterf (11h) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
    Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
    dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
    dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
    dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
    Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
    Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
    Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
    dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
    Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
    Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
    Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
    wpr (9-Apr) : yay
    Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
    Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
    Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
    Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
    Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.
    Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?
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