Packers should consider trading down in 2019 NFL Draft

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

5 years ago

The Green Bay Packers should consider trading down in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft. Despite entering the first round of April's draft with two picks, the Green Bay Packers should consider trading down. The Packers already own 10 picks, six of which come in the opening four rounds, but they have a

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I don't mind trading down this year. There are going to be good players available but I want to get something big in return. If they give up the 12th I want this year and next year's 1st in return. If we move out of the 1st round then 2 seconds and next year's first.

I really want the Seattle - Cleveland deal from Draft Day ie: 3 1st round picks but that's not likely. 😎

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beast
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5 years ago

Originally Posted by: wpr

It depends on how far they trade down... a lot of mocks have projected the QB needy Redskins to try to trade up in front of the QB needy Dolphins at #13... and of course lots of projections they'll do that by trading to #12 (though they'll probably start offers before that if they're seriously going to try that).

But you should always be open minded to good offers trade downs because the trade is literally a bit of a crap shoot... I mean in 2013, three of the first four picks where OTs ( #1 OT Eric Fisher, #2 OT Luke Joeckel, #3 DE/OLB Dion Jordan and #4 OT Lane Johnson)... who would of imaged the best OT would be selected with the 109th pick (David Bakhtiari).... and even when you have a pick that works out, there is always the threat of a career ending injury.

That being said.... there are about 6 elite Edge/DT in this years class and one MIGHT drop to the Packers at #12. If one of those elite guys drops to you, then you got to take a long hard look, after that I'm looking DBs, ILB White and trade downs... the offensive players just haven't impressed me that much as far as top 15.

Zero2Cool
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5 years ago

If there are six elite Edge/DT .. . I promise, 3 will fall to 12. We always see teams reach for QB's in the top 10 and there's probably two or three that will be taken before our pick.

I wouldn't trade back unless it's an offer we can't refuse.

warhawk
Senior Member

5 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

They haven't had a lot of opportunities to go after a highly rated pass rusher until last year when they passed on Watt. Now I'm ok with Alexander and basically a freebe at #30 especially considering they can jump right back in this year and invest in a player that can get to the QB. If there is a really good one there this is a no decision. Run to the podium with the name.

If Gute can get the right guy at #12 and a good Safety or TE at #30 he will have done more in the first rounds of 2018 and "19 than Thompson did in his last three entire drafts. That's how you get things turned around in a hurry.

"The train is leaving the station."

beast
Select Member

5 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Normally I'd completely agree with that logic as normally the draft is more balanced than it appears to be this year.

But this year the offensive position seem to lack elite guys... and some think the top 5 could be very heavy on those Edge/DL guys, especially with all of them claiming they don't need a QB (teams with selections 5 through 10 do though).

So I'm thinking it's going to be less than 3 and more like 1 (give or take 1).

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

5 years ago

For this list I have eliminated Qb's and Wr's, and Rb's.
I feel The Packers will wait till rnd 3 or later to select these positions.

These 2 players I feel are worth trading up to get if either one would happen to drop to 5 or lower. The chance is small, but it is the NFL draft.

Bosa, Nick (DE) Ohio State
Allen, Josh (OLB) Kentucky

Some of these players will be there at 12, and be worth the pick if The Packers decide to stay put.

Taylor, Jawaan (OT) Florida
Little, Greg (OT) Mississippi
Williams, Quinnen (DT) Alabama
Oliver, Ed (DT) Houston
Ferrell, Clelin (DE) Clemson
Gary, Rashan (DE) Michigan
Polite, Jachai (DE) Florida
Williams, Greedy (CB) LSU

These players currently have a 1st rnd grade, that could change after the Combine and Pro days.

Williams, Jonah(OT/OG) Alabama
Risner, Dalton (OT/OG) Kansas St.
Cajuste, Yodny (OT) West Virginia
Edwards, David (OT) Wisconsin
Ford, Cody (OG/OT) Oklahoma
Jenkins, Elgton (OT/C) Mississippi State
Winovich, Chase (DE) Michigan
Sweat, Montez (DE) Mississippi State
Burns, Brian (DE) Florida State
Ferguson, Jaylon (DE) Louisiana Tech
Thompson, Deionte (FS) Alabama
White, Devin (ILB/OLB) LSU
Bush, Devin (OLB) Michigan
Smith Jr, Irv (TE) Alabama
Fant, Noah (TE) Iowa
Wilkins, Christian (DT) Clemson
Lawrence, Dexter (DT) Clemson
Simmons, Jeffery (DT) Mississippi State
Jones, Dre'Mont (DT) Ohio State
Willis III, Gerald (DT) Miami (FL)
Baker, Deondre (CB) Georgia
Murphy, Byron (CB) Washington
Oruwariye, Amani (CB) Penn State

Here's the argument for trading down
The Packers currently have 3 of the top 45 picks.
The value charts all show they could easily turn those 3 picks into 6 picks and stay in the top 50 for all six picks.
With the talent available in the top 50, wouldnt break my heart at all if they traded down a couple of times.

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beast
Select Member

5 years ago

These 2 players I feel are worth trading up to get if either one would happen to drop to 5 or lower. The chance is small, but it is the NFL draft.

Bosa, Nick (DE) Ohio State
Allen, Josh (OLB) Kentucky

Some of these players will be there at 12, and be worth the pick if The Packers decide to stay put.

Taylor, Jawaan (OT) Florida
Little, Greg (OT) Mississippi
Williams, Quinnen (DT) Alabama
Oliver, Ed (DT) Houston
Ferrell, Clelin (DE) Clemson
Gary, Rashan (DE) Michigan
Polite, Jachai (DE) Florida
Williams, Greedy (CB) LSU

These players currently have a 1st rnd grade, that could change after the Combine and Pro days.

Williams, Jonah(OT/OG) Alabama
Sweat, Montez (DE) Mississippi State
Burns, Brian (DE) Florida State
Thompson, Deionte (FS) Alabama
White, Devin (ILB/OLB) LSU
Simmons, Jeffery (DT) Mississippi State
Baker, Deondre (CB) Georgia
Murphy, Byron (CB) Washington
Oruwariye, Amani (CB) Penn State

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Very good post

I think you got to put DT Quinnen Williams and Bosa together as the top two players in this draft (and as far as position, Wilkerson is currently a FA and Daniels and Lower are going into contract years, so a future DT is needed)

I'm surprised you didn't put OT Jonah Williams with the other OTs, though I don't think Williams nor Little has worth the #12 spot. Williams was solid but just didn't seem like he was athletic enough for RT, at least not in the Packers old scheme. Little is athletic enough but he didn't play mean enough, and seemed like he could get bullied a bit by meaner, more physical guys. I haven't checked out Tylor yet.

ILB White and CB Murphy probably belong on the potential #12 as they are great athletes and based on Gute's first year, he loved great athletes, so I'd raise them to the higher list.

I'd put Polite with Sweat on depends on combine and maybe FSU Brian Burns too, I think teams could have those three averaging out the same, with their scheme being a big factor to which one they like more.

And I'd add Safety Nasir Adderley to the bottom list... Packers Hall of Fame Herb Adderley first cousins, twice removed! But the kid is athletic and instinctive but was a small school kid.

warhawk
Senior Member

5 years ago

Some of these players will be there at 12, and be worth the pick if The Packers decide to stay put.

Taylor, Jawaan (OT) Florida
Little, Greg (OT) Mississippi
Williams, Quinnen (DT) Alabama
Oliver, Ed (DT) Houston
Ferrell, Clelin (DE) Clemson
Gary, Rashan (DE) Michigan
Polite, Jachai (DE) Florida
Williams, Greedy (CB) LSU

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

I don't think Murray will last until #12. If that's true I only see two scenario's where we find a trade partner and that would be if a team really likes Lock or Jones at QB or a real shocker is somehow still sitting there. Like a player thought to be a top 5-7 pick.
The odds of one of these QB's being worthy of moving up for is not that great and if a stud is still there I would think Gute would jump on him.

I would also put Devin White in the top 12 and add Hockenson in the 1st round. I doubt he makes it to us at #30 but I can't see us passing on him if he were and he certainly wouldn't get by New England. He's close to a Gronk II type talent. I wouldn't be surprised to see NE move up to grab him.

I also can't see a draft where not a single WR goes in the 1st. I would think Metcalf or one of the Brown's will get selected in there somewhere.

"The train is leaving the station."

gbguy20
Veteran Member

5 years ago

Lots of talk about Devin White in this thread. Here is a video breakdown of Devin. Seems like a boom or bust kind of pick. Worth the watch.

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gbguy20
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5 years ago

#10

lets trade up i want this guy:

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