Pack93z
15 years ago

and it's still just a game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Blasphemy, pure and udder blasphemy I tell ya. :lol:
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
15 years ago
No kidding. Losing is for losers.

GO GREEN DEATH!

;)
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I hate losing as much as the next man -- I got told to shut up plenty of times in the chat room last year for screaming too much 😉 -- but I personally think the real losers are the ones who use team losses as an excuse to get wasted, not go to work, avoid their families, etc. Believe it or not, those people exist.
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warhawk
15 years ago

Haven't had a chance to read it yet. At work.

Can I assume it's yet another article exaggerating the scheme change and missing the fact that our scheme will be molded to fit our roster and not the other way around?

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Yeah, pretty much. And if things go south this year it'll be his fault for refusing to participate in FA. Boilerplate stuff at this point, really.

"dhazer" wrote:



So if we have another losing season which would be 3 out of 5 years for Ted Thompson, who do we blame? But i did read the article and basically sounds like we are still rebuilding. I do see a built in excuse with the new defensive scheme already for Ted Thompson.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



I don't know why people think this arbitrary fraction "3/5", "2/5", etc. means anything at all. First of all, 2004 was generally accepted by everyone as a rebuilding year, based on the aging roster and the cap situation. So scratch that off the fraction. Then you have the 8-8 season which is what, a wash?
What I'm looking for is improvement and an understandable plan towards excellence. There has been steady improvement every year except for last year. Part of that was our 1st year QB not being able to put the team on his back and shrug off the rest of the team's errors to singlehandedly win the game. Part of it was our defense being in disarray and by all accounts split in terms of the philosophy of the coaches and players.
Well, the defensive split was addressed. Rodgers will only get better.

And from my personal perspective, I get what they're doing, and I don't think this was a 6-10 quality team in 2008. Poor teams don't randomly blow good teams out of the water and then find weird and frustrating ways to lose a ton of games against mediocre to great opponents by 3 or 4 points. It was just a frustrating year. A mind bogglingly frustrating year. But I can't say I want the entire team philosophy and free agency strategy and salary strategy AND upper management to be completely overhauled if it somehow freakishly happens again.

I really don't think it will though. This team is too good for that.

And I guarantee you nobody in the Packers organization is planning an excuse for a losing 2009 season. Only some fans.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



This is spot on for me. Nobody was talking about whole scale changes in personnel when we were way out there ahead of any reasonable schedule when you considered we were the youngest team in the NFL and winning.

We lose several late fourth quarter games and now the team sucks and is going the wrong way. Whatever.

NFL players didn't get to be NFL players by luck or by being incapable of doing more than one thing, or not having the ability to adapt to a new concept or scheme. They see this all the time.

Every year FA comes around and teams start gobbling up all the big named and overpaid guys the media comes storming in with all these opinions about how this team or that team is now going to sure enough win the SB....and then they're nearly always wrong.

I feel last year we would have won several more games and probably made the playoffs again if we had gotten more pressure on the QB. Period. I don't think we needed more out of the offense and i don't think we could ask more out of the defensive backfield considering they were run all over the field with nobody getting at the QB.

I think Capers and his crew is more than capable of getting this done without asking guys to leap tall buildings with a single bound which is apparantly what people around here feel we need in order to avoid some huge disaster.
"The train is leaving the station."
zombieslayer
15 years ago

I'd have over paid a little for a guy who was proven in the 3 - 4 at a position we are weak at.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Me too.
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warhawk
15 years ago

Haven't had a chance to read it yet. At work.

Can I assume it's yet another article exaggerating the scheme change and missing the fact that our scheme will be molded to fit our roster and not the other way around?

"MassPackersFan" wrote:




Yeah, pretty much. And if things go south this year it'll be his fault for refusing to participate in FA. Boilerplate stuff at this point, really.

"dhazer" wrote:



So if we have another losing season which would be 3 out of 5 years for Ted Thompson, who do we blame? But i did read the article and basically sounds like we are still rebuilding. I do see a built in excuse with the new defensive scheme already for Ted Thompson.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



I don't know why people think this arbitrary fraction "3/5", "2/5", etc. means anything at all. First of all, 2004 was generally accepted by everyone as a rebuilding year, based on the aging roster and the cap situation. So scratch that off the fraction. Then you have the 8-8 season which is what, a wash?
What I'm looking for is improvement and an understandable plan towards excellence. There has been steady improvement every year except for last year. Part of that was our 1st year QB not being able to put the team on his back and shrug off the rest of the team's errors to singlehandedly win the game. Part of it was our defense being in disarray and by all accounts split in terms of the philosophy of the coaches and players.
Well, the defensive split was addressed. Rodgers will only get better.

And from my personal perspective, I get what they're doing, and I don't think this was a 6-10 quality team in 2008. Poor teams don't randomly blow good teams out of the water and then find weird and frustrating ways to lose a ton of games against mediocre to great opponents by 3 or 4 points. It was just a frustrating year. A mind bogglingly frustrating year. But I can't say I want the entire team philosophy and free agency strategy and salary strategy AND upper management to be completely overhauled if it somehow freakishly happens again.

I really don't think it will though. This team is too good for that.

And I guarantee you nobody in the Packers organization is planning an excuse for a losing 2009 season. Only some fans.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



This is spot on for me. Nobody was talking about whole scale changes in personnel when we were way out there ahead of any reasonable schedule when you considered we were the youngest team in the NFL and winning.

We lose several late fourth quarter games and now the team sucks and is going the wrong way. Whatever.

NFL players didn't get to be NFL players by luck or by being incapable of doing more than one thing, or not having the ability to adapt to a new concept or scheme. They see this all the time.

Every year FA comes around and teams start gobbling up all the big named and overpaid guys the media comes storming in with all these opinions about how this team or that team is now going to sure enough win the SB....and then they're nearly always wrong.

I feel last year we would have won several more games and probably made the playoffs again if we had gotten more pressure on the QB. Period. I don't think we needed more out of the offense and i don't think we could ask more out of the defensive backfield considering they were run all over the field with nobody getting at the QB.

I think Capers and his crew is more than capable of getting this done without asking guys to leap tall buildings with a single bound which is apparantly what people around here feel we need in order to avoid some huge disaster.
"The train is leaving the station."
ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago
In an attempt to stay balanced, here, I would like to point out that there have been instances where spending some in FA in the right spots has worked out. The Pats definitely made a difference in their team by picking up Moss and, possibly even more importantly, Welker, and they replenish themselves at key defensive positions almost yearly.

There's obviously no set right or wrong answer in terms of how you build a team. The thing that worries me most is that solely relying on the draft means you have to be one HELL of a drafter, and I'm not sure any GM is that good.

What I do tend to forget (even though 93z reminds us plenty) is that there's plenty of post-draft FA action yet to come - it is possible (not likely, but possible) that Thompson, once he's been through the draft and the coaches have had some time to assess personnel, will be more active at that point.

The off-season is just too dang long - thank God the Blackhawks and Bulls will be in the playoffs this year, or I might lose it.
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PackOne
15 years ago

I'd have over paid a little for a guy who was proven in the 3 - 4 at a position we are weak at.

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