Sit Aaron Down.· Page 2

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

How he defying them? When has the HC ever held his own offense up to the standards?

The HC seems to be too busy bitching about the defense to notice he offense is a bigger pile of shit which is why he has failed to realize some adjustments are clearly needed...

Originally Posted by: beast

I've been criticizing Mike longer than anyone. But the fact is, Aaron is not Mike's boss.

WHEN, not if, the new HC comes in next year, do you want that HC or OC to have to answer to Aaron? That sends a message to the rest of the team that insubordination is OK.

Aaron needs to play within the system, get the ball out. Hit the open guy. That's his job. Move the chains, dude.

Maybe our Oline would be a little healthier if they weren't having to run around in all that chaos for as n extra 5 seconds per play.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Porforis
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#12

Thanks.

Check this out. We are 3-4-1 WITH AARON RODGERS. Know what I'm saying? Aaron is on pace to go 6-8-2. Is THAT what you want to risk?

FACT. This team has been preaching ACCOUNTABILITY. How does it make them look if they are not holding their star QB accountable? He is openly defying the HC and OC, and dragging this team down into the shitter in the process.

Hell, even if he was lighting it up, I would sit him down just out of general principle. There is a chain of command. Aaron Rodgers is NOT the GM. Aaron Rodgers is NOT the OC. He is also NOT the HC. Dude needs to accept his place. It also would not hurt him to shut his pie hole and focus on his own level of play.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

In that case we should bench literally everyone.

For whatever reason you have this idea in your head that everyone thinks that Aaron Rodgers is perfect and any offensive issues are 0% his fault. This is completely untrue and I would challenge you to point out a single person that doesn't criticize AR.

People saying that Mike McCarthy needs to go because of offensive issues aren't saying that Aaron Rodgers holds none of the blame

People getting pissed at Montgomery aren't saying that Rodgers holds no blame for the loss as if he was playing at a high level we would have been up enough that it wouldn't have been an issue.

You have this idea in your head and literally any positive comment about Rodgers is interpreted as hero worship and any negative comment about McCarthy, WRs, TEs, RBs, or the line is seen as trying to blame anyone but Rodgers.

I'm not saying that benching Rodgers is ludicrous. I'm saying that this idea that fans, especially on this site where we generally avoid being hysterical and complete and utter homers, blindly treat Rodgers like some sort of god is somewhere between completely incorrect and utterly offensive.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

6 years ago

#13

I'm saying that this idea that fans, especially on this site where we generally avoid being hysterical and complete and utter homers, blindly treat Rodgers like some sort of god is somewhere between completely incorrect and utterly offensive.

Originally Posted by: Porforis

This statement practically gave me a boner. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

That being said, this site used to be oppressively homerish. Even the slightest criticism of the team was met with howls of protest. That was a big reason why I left for awhile. Things are a lot better now, partly because the most egregious homers have moved on, partly because Aaron Rodgers has never been been the object of blind worship that Brett Favre was.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

6 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Must be referring to a time before I was here.

bboystyle
Member

6 years ago

#15

The whole team is not good atm including rodgers. I dont think benching him will change that and im 100% sure kizer wont make this team better as well.

yooperfan
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#16

The only good thing that could come from benching Rodgers in favor of Kizer would be that we would improve our draft position.
If that was done the Green Bay Packers would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
Don't bench Rodgers, fire McCarthy now and see what can happen in the bottom end of the season.
As it stands,Rodgers,McCarthy and our offense is a hot mess right now.
As it stands Rodgers is on track to have his lowest competition percentage rating since 2008.
I think it's time to fire the play caller now and see how the balance of the season shakes out.
As things stand the Green Bay Packers aren't going anywhere anyway.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

6 years ago

#17

im 100% sure kizer wont make this team better as well.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

Who said it would? I specifically said it would help the Packers get a feel for what they have in Kizer, not that it would make the product on the field better. I don't think anyone on the face of this planet thinks Kizer would make this team better. But improving the offense's production in the short term by keeping Rodgers in harm's way this year represents a pyrrhic victory if it means he is still hobbled going into next year.

Porforis
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#18

I think Nerd's point wasn't so much that Kizer should start because he'll play better, but because Nerd's of the opinion that Aaron is willfully not executing the offense because of his ego and therefore he needs to be sat down and brought back into line. Thus starting Kizer in his place. And by Aaron learning to execute the offense, it will help the team in the long run.

I don't agree with this assessment of Rodgers - I mean yes, he has an ego and on occasion it gets him into trouble but I don't think it's remotely close to this severe. But if this were the case, I would agree that his ass should ride the bench.

Yerko
Senior Member

6 years ago

#19

They should let him sit and rest. He probably has severe back issues with how many times he has to carry this team and the awful HC....

Jokes aside, yes...Rodgers has been somewhat underwhelming this season. Missing throws he used to make with his eyes closed, throwing the ball away constantly and throwing the ball at the ground. I just don't understand the concept of sitting your best player though. He has held himself accountable after this last game and called out his own mistakes, basically putting the entire loss to New England on his own play. I am confused as to where we get this idea that he is sitting here pointing fingers at everyone but himself. Is there evidence of this?

The entire offensive unit is under-performing. This includes the head of it all, Mike McCarthy. His playbook is dry and predictable. Remember when he brought Philbin back and said they were cleaning up the playbook? I remember. Yet, they run the same bs that they did last year. It is legit the same exact playbook...
The team refuses to use the weapons they have properly. It doesn't help that our offensive line play, particularly the guards, have been playing absolutely awful football. Listen to BB mic'd up on the sidelines! They were targeting the guards the entire game.

Does Rodgers deserve blame? Absolutely. But you're not going to convince me to bench our best player when the division is still up in the air.

beast
Select Member

6 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

All that is great... but you completely and totally avoided my questions....

You claim Rodgers is openly defying the coaches....

I asked for your proof... and all you got is that he doesn't play within the system... which is absolutely nothing as far as proof of openly defying....

Do we even have the basic open proof of Mike McCarthy asking Rodgers to do what you want? I don't think we do...

So this is Rodgers openly defying YOU... not the coaches... UNLESS... are you one of the Packers coaches?

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