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Observations/Opinions

Offense.
1. The lack of scheming and creativity is painfully obvious. Compare and contrast some of the clever scheming, up-tempo play, and trick plays New England utilized. And they were key in the outcome.
2. We just don’t have the horses on the offensive line. 12 is under constant pressure. The few times he had time, like the touchdown pass to Graham, he continues to be highly effective. BUT CLEARLY, as has been the case in the last decade, we seem incapable of getting effective OL play on short yardage. MM Did not run the ball and goal line situation despite having four tight ends, what does that tell you about what he thinks about the line.
3. The young wideouts show promise. But, they are young and I are still learning the offense, irrespective of how simple it may be. Cobb is gone...He simply doesn’t have the wheels he used to.
4. Although he got a fair amount of help, Spriggs played decently.

Defense
1. Despite being under manned, I am really liking what is shaping up on the defensive side of the ball.
2. It was nice to see Jackson and Jones get meaningful playing time.
3. Williams was an improvement from Clinton Dix.
4. Our edge rush is nonexistent. This wouldn’t be so troublesome if they were containing on the run, but they don’t seem to be doing a very good job of that either. Expect major major turnover at this position next year with at least three new faces.

Penalties
Yes, we got hosed, but we make it so damn easy to be hosed! Stupid plays, like slapping an opposing player, and running into the kicker and fourth and 21 are really freaking dumb. and dumb plays cost games
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Nick Perry might as well have been inactive.
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The biggest plays Sunday night were not made by Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, but by another Aaron -- Aaron Jones, whose fumble with the Packers driving into Patriots territory ignited the Patriots' 14-point fourth quarter burst to break open a tie game. And by a wall of Patriots blockers who set up a screen for James White on a trick play that triggered the first touchdown of that burst and then by the rocket Brady fired to a wide-open Josh Gordon that resulted in a 55 yard touchdown for the second score. And by a defense that stole the show in what was supposed to be a night of offense.

Coach Bill Belichick was practically giddy in the aftermath, gushing over Brady's work ethic, over Rodgers' on-field sense of a play, over his own defensive front. Because it is so routinely a flat line, Belichick's postgame mood is as accurate a barometer as there is of how good he feels about the Patriots. This is all you need to know: Belichick smiled.

The Patriots beat the Packers 31-17 and unless they meet in a Super Bowl -- and that looks increasingly unlikely this year for the 3-4-1 Packers, who are in third place in the NFC North -- we probably won't see Rodgers and Brady face each other again. They embraced and shared a few words late Sunday night and then went their separate ways. Brady, with his team at 7-2 and with a victory over the Kansas City Chiefs in their pocket, toward what seems almost certain to be another January assault on the playoffs. Rodgers into his simmering disappointment and irritation with the direction of the Packers.

Rodgers' displeasure is understandable when the teams are so easily compared side-by-side like this. Brady was not particularly sharp Sunday -- he finished 22 of 35 for 294 yards and one touchdown pass, had a startling six straight incompletions at one point, and looked, for stretches, confused by Mike Pettine's defense. The Patriots had to rely on big plays, because they weren't getting their routine four- and seven-yarders, Brady conceded.

But Brady was surrounded by a better team than Rodgers was, even without the injured Rob Gronkowski or Sony Michel. And Brady is coached by wildly creative coaches. The Patriots went up tempo occasionally. The play call for a flea flicker and the screen pass by Julian Edelman to White on the other side of the field -- Brady was the lead blocker and admitted he hit nobody -- that is the kind of aggressiveness and derring-do that is absent from the Packers' approach and, to be fair, from practically every other team's, too. The pass to Gordon, which flew over Edelman's outstretched arms, underscored that the Patriots manage to find contributors where others do not. Cordarelle Patterson, once known as a receiver and kick returner, morphed into the Patriots' new running back Sunday, with 11 rushes for 61 yards and a touchdown. He entered the game with a total of 61 rushes in his entire six-year career.

"So much of our team is guys being in roles that maybe they didn't sign up for that particular role," Brady said of Patterson. "Injuries, attrition, a lot of guys go down. You're short at certain spots."

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Well written and accurate
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Observations/Opinions

Offense.
1. The lack of scheming and creativity is painfully obvious. Compare and contrast some of the clever scheming, up-tempo play, and trick plays New England utilized. And they were key in the outcome.
2. We just don’t have the horses on the offensive line. 12 is under constant pressure. The few times he had time, like the touchdown pass to Graham, he continues to be highly effective. BUT CLEARLY, as has been the case in the last decade, we seem incapable of getting effective OL play on short yardage. Mike McCarthy Did not run the ball and goal line situation despite having four tight ends, what does that tell you about what he thinks about the line.
3. The young wideouts show promise. But, they are young and I are still learning the offense, irrespective of how simple it may be. Cobb is gone...He simply doesn’t have the wheels he used to.
4. Although he got a fair amount of help, Spriggs played decently.

Defense
1. Despite being under manned, I am really liking what is shaping up on the defensive side of the ball.
2. It was nice to see Jackson and Jones get meaningful playing time.
3. Williams was an improvement from Clinton Dix.
4. Our edge rush is nonexistent. This wouldn’t be so troublesome if they were containing on the run, but they don’t seem to be doing a very good job of that either. Expect major major turnover at this position next year with at least three new faces.

Penalties
Yes, we got hosed, but we make it so damn easy to be hosed! Stupid plays, like slapping an opposing player, and running into the kicker and fourth and 21 are really freaking dumb. and dumb plays cost games

Originally Posted by: KRK 



Great first post KRK... the only thing I would queyis the Edge Rush... it's been pointed out before the season that while Petite usually has a great defense in terms of yardage given up, he's edge rushers always disappear as well.

My point being I'm not sure how much of them disappearing is bad play vs this scheme, which seems to opens up DT, ILB and DB more than the normal edge guys.



But absolutely... MM's completely isolation scheme helps the team with more talented and developed depth... and right now that's the other teams defense as the Packers only got Adams and Graham who are talented and developed.

The Packers RG is having their lunch money stolen most downs it seems. And sometimes Taylor at LG too.

The biggest upside for the Patriots game was develop... looked like Rodgers/MVS might be developing chemistry.... Spriggs didn't look bad... and the defense showed a hell lot of fight and a lot of young guys got some playing time.
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I've been waiting for breeland for weeks and it turns out he is fucking terrible
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KRK, your #1 point is so spot on. Look at the trick plays NE used. MM has no clue on how to do anything unusual to shake up the defense.
If something doesn’t work, why not try something else?
MM doesn’t seem to be able to think outside the box.
Time to get a coach who can.
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6 years ago

KRK, your #1 point is so spot on. Look at the trick plays NE used. Mike McCarthy has no clue on how to do anything unusual to shake up the defense.
If something doesn’t work, why not try something else?
Mike McCarthy doesn’t seem to be able to think outside the box.
Time to get a coach who can.

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When the Packers have done trick plays, the fan base blows up crying about being "too cute".


-- general comment not aimed at anyone --
Face it, some of us just wanna bitch for the sake of bitching. There's just no rational behind it whatsoever. Do this! They do it and its WHY YOU DO THAT!
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Let’s see.....are what they are doing WORKING???
So why NOT get “cute?”
At this point in the season, the team is on life support. So what is there to lose to try to get SOMETHING going?
I wouldn’t “bitch” if they showed SOME ability to change things up. Take some chances! What they are doing is not accomplishing anything good, right?

One more loss and you can stick a fork in them. 3-4-1 at the halfway point, with no look that they are figuring it out won’t help anything.
If they go 6-2 the rest of the way, that still only gets them to 9 wins. Just good enough to mess up your draft position for next year.
No consistent pass rush, and an under achieving offense. That is killing this team.
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I've been waiting for breeland for weeks and it turns out he is fucking terrible

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



Let him settle in. He should be ok.
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Let’s see.....are what they are doing WORKING???
So why NOT get “cute?”
At this point in the season, the team is on life support. So what is there to lose to try to get SOMETHING going?
I wouldn’t “bitch” if they showed SOME ability to change things up. Take some chances! What they are doing is not accomplishing anything good, right?

One more loss and you can stick a fork in them. 3-4-1 at the halfway point, with no look that they are figuring it out won’t help anything.
If they go 6-2 the rest of the way, that still only gets them to 9 wins. Just good enough to mess up your draft position for next year.
No consistent pass rush, and an under achieving offense. That is killing this team.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



They have to go 7-1 to have a chance
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Not sure if Williams was better, worse, or the same as Clinton-Dix, but I was disappointed to note a few times when he shied away from contact (which was my biggest gripe about HHCD).

Why in the world do we not kick it out of the end zone when Corderrelle (sp?) Patterson is the returner? Don't give him a chance.

I thought the Patriots play calling was excellent to take advantage of the defense being off balance - their was a trick play right after the defense had to take the field unexpectedly (maybe after Jones fumble, cant remember exactly?) - I think that was deliberate to exploit a group who were probably somewhat flustered.

I thought the ejection was an overreaction from the refs and BS, but as a player he lost his cool and put his fate in someone else's (ref's) hands.
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We just don’t have the horses on the offensive line. 12 is under constant pressure. The few times he had time, like the touchdown pass to Graham, he continues to be highly effective.

Originally Posted by: KRK 



I have been pretty confused by the inconsistency on the offensive line. For once it has been a relatively healthy group, and yet I expected a better performance. According to PFF Bakhtiari is #1, Taylor is #17, Linsley is #4, Bell is #32, and Bulaga is #17 at their respective positions so far this season. So if your LT and C are playing exceptionally well, your RT and LG are playing average, and your RG is playing poorly the result appears to be a mediocre offensive line... disappointing.

No consistent pass rush, and an under achieving offense. That is killing this team.

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I know the rush as bad against Brady, but on the year I think it has been pretty good. I've been disappointed sometimes that we've only been able to get pressure by sending 5 rushers or more, but other times the rush has been good even without a blitz (on one play last night 2 of the rushers got pressure on a 3-man rush). At the end of the day though, we are 6th in the league with 25 sacks, so I think no pass rush isn't a fair complaint. You are completely right about the underachieving offense though...


Our edge rush is nonexistent. This wouldn’t be so troublesome if they were containing on the run, but they don’t seem to be doing a very good job of that either.

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Most pressures have come from the inside, which I think has been effective execution of the scheme. Early in the second half (during Brady's struggles to complete the football) we weren't even sending edge rushers at all. All pressure was coming through the A and B gaps. The OLBs would line up wide and then cover the zone in front of the slot receiver instead of going after Brady. I thought it was really cool, but clearly there will be no edge pressure in those situations.

I guess what I'm driving at is it's a shame we're running out of time to save the season, because I feel like this team is doing a lot of things right and is close on some others. Obviously there's a lot that needs corrected, but they look so close sometimes. If they put it together now I think they may make the postseason, but it would likely have to be now seeing as there is only so much schedule left...
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There's just no rational behind it whatsoever.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


rationale*

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Offense.
1. The lack of scheming and creativity is painfully obvious. Compare and contrast some of the clever scheming, up-tempo play, and trick plays New England utilized. And they were key in the outcome.
2. We just don’t have the horses on the offensive line. 12 is under constant pressure. The few times he had time, like the touchdown pass to Graham, he continues to be highly effective. BUT CLEARLY, as has been the case in the last decade, we seem incapable of getting effective OL play on short yardage. Mike McCarthy Did not run the ball and goal line situation despite having four tight ends, what does that tell you about what he thinks about the line.

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This is just ALL WRONG. The difference in this game was that Rodgers made at least a dozen more errors than Brady. If they played equally as well, the Jones fumble could have been overcome. Btw, did anyone notice if after the fumble Jones did that asswipe motion with his hands on his jersey after the fumble?

You begin with the conclusion that Rodgers is great; you then judge when he should be getting rid of the ball by when Rodgers gets rid of ball; so, if there’s pressure, it’s on the OL. How’d the OL line do run blocking? FYI, that also how good they were at pass blocking!

Let’s look at the first drive 3rd and G at 9. First down Read #1 is MVS lined up wide left on a 6 yard dig. When MVS makes his break, he is WIDE open, the pocket is CLEAN and Bakhtieri and Taylor/Linsley open up about a 8 yard window for Rodgers pass to travel. Rodgers doesn’t throw, but resets his feet and 1 second later Bell is being pushed into his grill and Rodgers throws it away.

The play is great; the execution of 10 players is great; but you got one arrogant asshole looking for highlight reel plays and then wants to talk about trust in his receivers.

On the next play, Rodgers has the play with at least 16 seconds, players are set with :11 seconds; then Rodgers MINDLESSLY lets the clock tick to zero, taking us back to 14.

2nd and 14 pocket clean, Rodgers flinches eventhough rush is controlled…Mr. Demander of Trust didn’t trust his OL. On 3rd read, Adams, who lined up inside right with 2 WR’s outside is running a deep out. Instead of throwing with perfect mechanics; Rodgers throws off his back foot and behind to a substantially open Adams giving Gilmore a chance to knock down pass. Again, great play call and perfect execution by the other 10 on offense.

3rd and 10 Mike loses confidence in Rodgers’ ability to score; so he calls a WR screen on 3rd and 14.

Throughout the game Rodgers created his own pressure and undermined any value provided by play action. Most D Coordinators on play action have their rushers key on the OL. If the OL pass blocks, they come for the QB, so the QB taking the time to fake to RB doesn’t slow the rush at all, play action becomes 100% meaningless. For this reason, when GB runs play action their OL run blocks!!!!!!! This puts the OL at a HUGE disadvantage keeping the pass rushers out of the backfield. These plays are not designed for Rodgers to do an 8-9 step drop or to hold the ball for more than 2.5 seconds.

And ya cant blame Mike for the GL play-calling. First, you dont know what he called, by looking at the result. And Remember: Mike calls the play without knowing the alignment and most run plays have a check to pass and vice-versa. Rodgers ultimately decides if they run or pass out of a 4 TE set, not Mike.

IT IS NOT THE PLAY CALLING…IT IS THE EXECUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This happened at least 3, maybe 4 times.

Third and 4. OBVIOUSLY we can't run in that situation, since our RB is only averagig 6.5 per carry. So cool, right? Let's use our all star first ballot HoF QB.

So Aaron rolls to the RIGHT hash, then throws all the way back to the LEFT sideline, 30 yards in the air, just to get FOUR yards. Incomplete. I mean, how about throwing for FOUR yards? Run some slants, picks, button hooks, HB screen or something? HIGH percentage. [twocents]

I mean, whatever.

At least they didn't go deep every time.
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It would be interesting for you to go through the same analysis on the other players on the offense. Particularly the front guys.

I had to laugh out loud when you wrote he flinched. If I had this offense of line blocking for me I’d flinch a lot too.
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