DarkaneRules
6 years ago
Neither QB completely set themselves apart. They all have things that need to be worked on. The pocket awareness is an issue, but I do think he was the most overall consistent QB of the 3, by just a bit. Boyle was not playing against the same level of talent but he made some plays, for sure. Now let's see whose stock rises and falls over the next few weeks.
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beast
6 years ago

Neither QB completely set themselves apart. They all have things that need to be worked on. The pocket awareness is an issue, but I do think he was the most overall consistent QB of the 3, by just a bit. Boyle was not playing against the same level of talent but he made some plays, for sure. Now let's see whose stock rises and falls over the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



With Hundley, the thing I see as the biggest problems, is that he can't balance looking down the field and pocket awareness, and as soon as he gets hit... he's all about pocket awareness and can't throw the ball.

Before getting hit, Hundley was doing very well, the only problems were that he was throwing behind the receivers so that had to stop and wait on it some to get there but that's not uncommon in a back-up QB and that he had no pocket awareness.

But after the hits, he was being aware of the rushers and kept throwing 10 feet over receivers.

The major problem, is that his first problem (no pocket awareness), leads him to getting hit and focusing on pocket awareness, which leads him to the second problem (not being able to throw a catchable ball for a number of passes afterwards) and the cycle just keeps repeating, because once he can regain focus on down the field, he's lost all pocket awareness again.
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DarkaneRules
6 years ago
All true. Kizer wasn't great though and Boyle made a couple decisions that show his inexperience. The high throws from Hundley were the things that stuck the most to me as far as the bad goes. 3 weeks to sort this out.
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beast
6 years ago
I really like the potential that Boyle showed, it reminded me of Kurt Warner, but I don't think Boyle is ready yet to be the #2 QB (and remember he's going against 3rd stringers at best and maybe not going to make the rosters). But I think Packers.com's Mike Spofford said it best


Kurt Warner played in Mike Martz system which was largely based on deep 7 step drops and deep WR routes, which gives pass rushers more times to get to the QB, which is why Martz's QBs were often injured or struggled or Interception prone. Kurt Warner would stand tall, knowing he was gonna get nailed and throw very good passes. Boyle did that at least twice, where there was fairly clearly a blitz coming up the middle with no blockers left and he stood there and delivered a very good deep pass.

Hundley nor Kizer have shown us that yet. Kizer clearly sees it and runs... IF Hundley sees it... he either runs or throws up a lame duck pass that's going no where.

It's very weird, as far as back-up QBs throwing goes, our current #2 (Hundley) is the most ready to play now, but might have the lowest ceiling of all of the QBs, and our #4 QB (Boyle) might be the least ready now but might have the highest ceiling. Though I think Kizer has great awareness and running ability which help a lot at QB and I think they're still adjusting Kizer's feet or throwing motion or something, because he didn't look as good as he did last year. Or maybe still adjusting to the system.

Edit: Just saw this, which confirms that they're adjusting Kizer's footwork


But it's an interesting question... do you go with most ready now? Or the highest ceiling? Mix of the two?
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DarkaneRules
6 years ago
Yes!!! That's been the struggle. I mean my gosh... how many times has a coach had at least 3 guys and said DAMN if I could just put their strengths together into one player!

Ready now / lower ceiling: Hundley
Still needs a year of development / higher ceiling: Kizer
Highest ceiling / lowest experience: Boyle
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6 years ago


But it's an interesting question... do you go with most ready now? Or the highest ceiling? Mix of the two?

Originally Posted by: beast 


Highest ceiling. GB has their starting QB so they don't need the most ready QB as their backup.

If Aaron goes down for the season with a QB who is the most ready to play it's a lost season as we saw last year.
If Aaron goes down for the season without a QB who is ready to play it's still a lost season but you have a QB who is moving closer to his full potential.



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beast
6 years ago

Ready now / lower ceiling: Hundley
Still needs a year of development / higher ceiling: Kizer
Highest ceiling / lowest experience: Boyle

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 


I'm not sure about highest ceiling. As the first preseason game I would agree with Boyle, but Kizer might have an even higher ceiling when he's got his footwork down and has fully adjusted to it. Mike McCarthy said they're adjusting Kizer's footwork and it was completely different than what they teach, which is probably why Kizer looked a lot better last year then he did in the 1st preseason game... IF Kizer can adjust, his ceiling is pretty dang high too.


Highest ceiling. GB has their starting QB so they don't need the most ready QB as their backup.

If Aaron goes down for the season with a QB who is the most ready to play it's a lost season as we saw last year.
If Aaron goes down for the season without a QB who is ready to play it's still a lost season but you have a QB who is moving closer to his full potential.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Great Point. So I'll probably be choosing Kizer and Boyle in a mock roster.

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nerdmann
6 years ago
Mike's system works the drop backs and the footwork into the passing game, relative to the play call. It incorporates a ton of fundamentals, uniquely combined in this system. That's gonna take a year for Kizer to really get down. This is the reason Hundley might still make the team, although he clearly seems to have a lower ceiling.

I think Hundley has the skills, he just can't get into the zone. He's still out there thinking too much, just the way Mike taught him.
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beast
6 years ago

Highest ceiling. GB has their starting QB so they don't need the most ready QB as their backup.

If Aaron goes down for the season with a QB who is the most ready to play it's a lost season as we saw last year.
If Aaron goes down for the season without a QB who is ready to play it's still a lost season but you have a QB who is moving closer to his full potential.

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Well I thought you made a great point... based on what Mike McCarthy said, I think he disagrees with you and is looking for the highest floor as his #2 back-up. Which basically he's saying Kizer and Boyle have a long way to go with their footwork if they want to make it. So I guess (sadly) we're going to be keeping Hundley as the #2 QB.

Maybe like Mike Holmgren went for highest floor cutting a certain future hall of fame QB that wore #12 before Rodgers.

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Well I thought you made a great point... based on what Mike McCarthy said, I think he disagrees with you and is looking for the highest floor as his #2 back-up. Which basically he's saying Kizer and Boyle have a long way to go with their footwork if they want to make it. So I guess (sadly) we're going to be keeping Hundley as the #2 QB.

Maybe like Mike Holmgren went for highest floor cutting a certain future hall of fame QB that wore #12 before Rodgers.

Originally Posted by: beast 



No surprise.
1 HCs have a long history of saying one thing and doing the opposite.
2 It's his job that's on the line. If it were mine perhaps I would look at the short run too. Aaron goes down I might want the person who has the best chance to win today.
3 There is more than one reason I am not a HC anywhere.

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