Zero2Cool
7 years ago
What do you think about Vic Fangio coming to run the Packers defense? He's an understudy of Dom Capers ... that concerns me, but the guy does have a decent track record. 49ers did have a really good defense under him and Bears have a decent defense on a sub-level of the 49ers.

No decision has been made on the future of Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers, but insiders are already connecting the team to potential replacements.

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, current Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio is a name to “keep an eye on” if the Packers move on from Capers.

“There are real questions about whether 67-year-old Dom Capers will retire or be asked to retire. This could be the year,” Rapoport wrote on NFL.com Saturday. “If that happens, keep an eye on Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who is a free agent.”

The Packers will likely need to move fast. Teams across the league will start making coaching changes on Monday, and Fangio – who coordinated a top defense in San Francisco and rebuilt Chicago’s defense over the last few years – will be in demand if the Bears fire coach John Fox and remake the coaching staff.

Fangio’s contract expires after the 2017 season, meaning he’ll have an opportunity to leave Chicago regardless of what the Bears do with Fox.


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beast
7 years ago

What do you think about Vic Fangio coming to run the Packers defense? He's an understudy of Dom Capers ... that concerns me, but the guy does have a decent track record. 49ers did have a really good defense under him and Bears have a decent defense on a sub-level of the 49ers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I've liked Vic Fangio... but I think the bigger questions are for Fangio...
[list=1]
  • If they keep Fox, would he consider leaving?
  • If Capers is fired, would he be interested?[/list]
  • If no to either of those, it's kind of pointless to talk about... unless Fox is fired and/or Capers retires.

    But one thing I would wonder, is if Fangio was hired by the Packers... would he bring along CB Prince Amukamara or CB Kyle Fuller? ... because while Fangio is given credit for doing a better job with the Bears... it's also because they've gotten better players through FA (like Amukamara) or players finally stepping up (like Fuller).

    I guess my point is the Packers still have the issue of talent, no matter who's the DC is. But it is interesting that he coaches two of the more interesting CB FA options... another one that I got my eye on has been Vontae Davis.
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    Barfarn
    7 years ago

    What do you think about Vic Fangio coming to run the Packers defense? He's an understudy of Dom Capers ... that concerns me, but the guy does have a decent track record. 49ers did have a really good defense under him and Bears have a decent defense on a sub-level of the 49ers.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I don’t think Fangio’s record with Bears is all that great given the circumstances.

    Capers’ Ds outperformed Bears’ in 2 of last 3 years with double the injuries. And look at all the high cost free agents Fangio was given [See below] along with a host of low cost vet FAs [Acho, Ratliff, Jenkins, Wilson, Unrein, Prosinski, Banks, etc]. When Fangio lost a player to injury or suckage, he was able to replace them with medium priced or low cost vets and did not have to resort to rookie UDFAs, like Capers. Fangio also had the benefit of a time eating offense that limited the # of drives against his D.

    Because the Bears have sucked, they’ve played weaker opponents for 2 games per year; that's 1/8 of the season. And it can’t be discounted that players playing against a team that stinks simply don’t play with the same edge. Plus, an opposing offensive staff might spend all or parts of 1 or 2 practices that week focused on a division opponent instead of the Bears and they will NEVER reveal an unscouted look or trick play against a team that sucks. Also, when the game is out of reach because the Bears stink; the opposing offenses are not playing as hard for a full 4 quarters. With GB's offense no team feels they can let up on the gas even if up by 7 -10-14 points. All this stuff works to make the stats look better than the Bears defense actually is.

    Hicks is the only FA guy who has over achieved under Fangio, many severely under performed. The only youngsters that exceeded expectations for their selection would be UDFA Callahan and safety Jackson [But Hurst, Jones-quarterly and Amos looked good in their 1st years too]. High picks Ferguson, Sutton, Bostic and Greene all busted out under Fangio. And some digressed; in 2014, Rookie CB Fuller looked like he was special, then Fangio came in.

    DL:
    Hicks 12M per FA
    Goldman low 2nd
    Houston 7M per FA

    OLB:
    Floyd high 1st
    McFee 8M per FA
    Young 6M per FA

    ILB:
    Trevathen 7M per FA
    Freeman 4M per FA

    CB:
    Amukamura 7M per FA
    Cooper 5M per FA
    Fuller mid 1st rounder
    Porter 4M per FA
    Ball 3M per FA

    S:
    Demp 5M per FA
    Rolle 4M per FA
    greengold
    7 years ago

    I've liked Vic Fangio... but I think the bigger questions are for Fangio...
    [list=1]

  • If they keep Fox, would he consider leaving?
  • If Capers is fired, would he be interested?[/list]
  • If no to either of those, it's kind of pointless to talk about... unless Fox is fired and/or Capers retires.

    But one thing I would wonder, is if Fangio was hired by the Packers... would he bring along CB Prince Amukamara or CB Kyle Fuller? ... because while Fangio is given credit for doing a better job with the Bears... it's also because they've gotten better players through FA (like Amukamara) or players finally stepping up (like Fuller).

    I guess my point is the Packers still have the issue of talent, no matter who's the DC is. But it is interesting that he coaches two of the more interesting CB FA options... another one that I got my eye on has been Vontae Davis.

    Originally Posted by: beast 




    I like Fangio. And I don't think Fox will be back with the Bears so Fangio should be available.
    Zero2Cool
    7 years ago
    is Chuck Pagano any good at DC?
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    blueleopard
    7 years ago
    I think Fangio's success with the Niners is a bit overblown because they already had the likes of NaVorro Bowman, Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks, Aldon Smith, and Justin Smith kicking ass on that defense. Someone also already brought up Chicago's different MO, mentioning they sign a lot of free agents to shore up various holes on their roster.

    Then again, considering we have our own solid guys in Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Mike Daniels, Blake Martinez, Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, and a handful of others, I wouldn't begin bringing Fangio in. I've never been a fan of his secondary guys though, but Kyle Fuller panned out okay.
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    beast
    7 years ago

    is Chuck Pagano any good at DC?

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


    It's hard for me to tell, because his system seemed like it was HUGE risk (all man coverage with aggressive blitzing), going for a HUGE award (sacks/turnovers).

    When it had the players and was successful, they looked dominant getting all those rewards.
    When they didn't though, the other team's offense looked dominant.
    With little in-between.

    If you got the players to do that, then great! Get all those rewards! If you don't have the players for it... they're going to be giving up a lot of big plays.


    There is also Teryl Austin, who like Pagano (and a number of others), also went thought the Ravens system.

    It seems like there are 3 main options.
    1) Want John Fox or someone that's worked under Fox?
    2) Want someone that went through the Ravens system?
    3) Want someone that went through the Seahawks system?

    2 Non-main options
    4) Want a current position coach
    5) College Defensive coordinator
    UserPostedImage
    7 years ago
    The Bears are playing games with Fangio's status publicly, to possibly cause issues with timing of teams like the Packers hiring him as DC. How long can we wait?
    beast
    7 years ago

    The Bears are playing games with Fangio's status publicly, to possibly cause issues with timing of teams like the Packers hiring him as DC. How long can we wait?

    Originally Posted by: TedThompsonsShades 



    I believe I've read Fangio was a free agent, whose contract ended even if they didn't fire anyone. So are they talking about resigning him? If no, then I'm not sure what games that they can play.
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    Zero2Cool
    7 years ago
    Vic Fangio contract expired after 2017 season.


    Knowing he came from Dom Capers tree or was close to it ... not sure hot about that.
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