Dom has to go. Maybe Mike too.· Page 5

PackFanWithTwins
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7 years ago

Now if Mike was such a QB whisperer as he has been given credit for, why isn't Hundley doing better? Is it that Mike doesn't develop QBs and has just had the luck of having some HOF quality talent at his disposal at the position.

He seems slow to be able to adjust when key players go down. Happened with Jordy, with Finley and clearly with Rodgers/Hundley.

Also, the run game. It has been pitiful for most of his time in GB. We are seeing it now come to life when he quits running the outside stretch plays and lets the lineman block downhill. And when he actually commits to the run game rather than just paying it lip service. We have had good backs, only to get poor results because McCarthy was so stubborn with the outside zone.

I only wonder what the offense could have been like in the past if McCarthy hadn't stuck with what wasn't working only because The passing game covered for it.

I wonder what percentage of the offensive success has been a result of Free plays when the defense jumps, or busted plays where Rodgers extending the play is the reason for positive results rather than a sack or throw away incompletion.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#42

Thanks PFWT...questions and more questions need to be asked just like this one. "Why?" is your friend.

I know I get the negative label here but what would Bill Belichick say? You think that guy is ever satisfied? He's thinking about next season as he's standing there receiving Lombardi trophies. One of my favorite memes is this one:

https://memegenerator.net/instance/73430250/wild-bill-belichick-thanksgiving-is-over-were-on-to-christmas

That never be satisfied mentality needs to be in our organization. It is so tired from patting itself on the back and congratulating itself for the past. It was one of the things that kept this org down for many years...always talking about the Lombardi years and living in the past. Same thing is happening now. Oh, 8 straight playoff appearances! Highly successful coach! All things that should never be talked about by those actually doing them.

Before I get accused of saying I'm like Bill Belichick, each of us has a mindset. Mine just happens to be in line with how Belichick goes about his business. He ain't ever satisfied...he wants...more. Good is not good enough. He ain't going to self congratulate and will be "on to..." all the time because his passion is winning, not what he's won, or did in the past. He is active...not passive. We have a passive backward looking organization which precludes looking at now and the future. I don't care about 8 straight playoff appearances. Meaningless to me. If we win this year's SB, I want to win the next one just as much or more. A winner wins and that's all that satisfies...a loser talks about the good old days of past accomplishments like Al Bundy playing HS football for Polk High.

Don't be a Bundy...Be a Belichick.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

beast
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7 years ago

#43

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

No your mindset is not like Belichick... you think he's sitting at home being completely egotistical say yes, I have the mind set that like of Michael Jordan on the court? HELL NO! Belichick scoffs at asinine statements such as the one you just made, and yet you're humble bragging about how you stupidly think you're superior to the rest of us.

Your mindset is much more in line with that of Terrell Owens' mindset of, -- What can I say I'm just better than everyone else, it's everyone else fault if something goes wrong -- type mindset and attitude.

steveishere
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7 years ago

#44

Absolutely and that's normally the case, but it clearly wasn't the case this last game where the offense shit the bed and couldn't get the defense a breather.

Actions speak louder than words, the offense had a number of drives which were complete shit and your blaming the defense for wearing down... when most defenses would wear down if they can't ever get a long drive breather, as it also helps the offense on the feild more chances to get in a rhythm.

Originally Posted by: beast

How was it clearly not the case? GBs defense started both halfs giving up 10 play 5+ minute drives. They weren't tired because of the offense in those situations they were just bad at stopping 1st downs. As I pointed out the offense going 3 and out 1 time in between defensive series to start the 2nd half did not cause the defense to allow 23 plays and 12 minutes TOP, bad defense caused that (if it was because of the 3 and out then there's a serious conditioning issue on D).

I never blamed the defense for anything I simply pointed out that they are bad at getting themselves off the field. This defense isn't good at it whether they are "worn down" or not. Maybe you should pay more attention to those words instead of whatever actions you are perceiving.

beast
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7 years ago

#45

Between 2:30 in the 1st Quarter and 6:02 in the 4th quarter, (that's over 40 minutes), the Offense got 7 drives and had the ball for 9:37 (in other words 1:22 per drive)... clearly the offense crapped their pants, and yet your talking shit about the defense when they're the ones that kept us in the freaking game.

Maybe you should pay attention to the games, so you actually know which units are ones shitting their pants from game to game... it wasn't the defense in the Bucs game.

uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#46

Originally Posted by: beast

It is like Belichick's... If you think Belichick's mindset is better than everyone else then I can't argue with the allegation. Focus on the TOPIC...not me. Does this org self congratulate or not? Does New England? Do I brag about division championships on this board, or 8 straight playoff appearances? Do others? If that convicts you, I'm sorry. I'm telling the truth. There are plenty here who love talking about what we've done not what we're doing or should be doing. Mike McCarthy is the ringleader with his garbage post season pressers year after year espousing ideas of a loser that are grasped onto and regurgitated for validation for losing. He's the head excuse maker and a lot of people parrot because they know nothing else but than to think MM must be right so I'll just say what he says. If you don't ask WHY he's saying the thing he says we will never get anywhere, but those who like parroting him don't want to talk about why...it's dangerous to get out and stand on your own and speak to the things I'm trying to get talked about here.

You hate me for wanting more because you don't. Good is good enough, right? Am I wrong? Why are you so placated and angry with me who just wants to see this team win SBs? Why?

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

beast
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7 years ago

#47

Focus on the TOPIC...not me.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You're such a hypocrite, your self-conceited opinions made yourself part of the topic when you keep talking about YOU... and how you're Belichick and how we should all be like Belichick, which is simply you saying we should all be more like you, because you WRONGLY ASSUME that's a good thing.

YOU MADE YOURSELF PART OF THE TOPIC, if you don't like it then STOP MAKING YOURSELF PART OF TOPIC!

All you're doing is talking about "I"... so you're opening the door for everyone else to also talk about you, self-conceited Terrell Owens opinion, after all you are T.O. "team obliterator"... your mindset is PERFECT to fit that of Terrell Owens, and not Belichick, as Belichick does not have self-conceited bragging like you just did!

Before I get accused of saying I'm like Bill Belichick, each of us has a mindset. Mine just happens to be in line with how Belichick goes about his business. He ain't ever satisfied...he wants...more. Good is not good enough. He ain't going to self congratulate and will be "on to..." all the time because his passion is winning, not what he's won, or did in the past. He is active...not passive. We have a passive backward looking organization which precludes looking at now and the future. I don't care about 8 straight playoff appearances. Meaningless to me. If we win this year's SB, I want to win the next one just as much or more. A winner wins and that's all that satisfies...a loser talks about the good old days of past accomplishments like Al Bundy playing HS football for Polk High.

Don't be a Bundy...Be a Belichick.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Stop making yourself the topic if you don't like yourself being the topic

beast
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7 years ago

#48

You hate me for wanting more because you don't. Good is good enough, right? Am I wrong? Why are you so placated and angry with me who just wants to see this team win SBs? Why?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You are wrong... I don't hate you because you want more (many others want more), in all honesty, don't even hate you.... but I hate some of your actions because they're self-conceited and a hypocritical...

You said you're Belichick, why? Because you think Belichick is the best head coach (which he has been) and you think you're the best just like him (you're not).... and telling us to be more like him, is telling us to be more like you (because you think you're like him)... when reality is that we're no better than others, yet your opinion keeps suggesting that you wrongly believe otherwise.

Hypocrite, because you keep blaming others for things that you also do... such as making yourself the subject/topic, and then getting upset when other people directly address you as the subject that you started.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#49

It is like Belichick's... If you think Belichick's mindset is better than everyone else then I can't argue with the allegation. Focus on the TOPIC...not me. Does this org self congratulate or not? Does New England? Do I brag about division championships on this board, or 8 straight playoff appearances? Do others? If that convicts you, I'm sorry. I'm telling the truth. There are plenty here who love talking about what we've done not what we're doing or should be doing. Mike McCarthy is the ringleader with his garbage post season pressers year after year espousing ideas of a loser that are grasped onto and regurgitated for validation for losing. He's the head excuse maker and a lot of people parrot because they know nothing else but than to think Mike McCarthy must be right so I'll just say what he says. If you don't ask WHY he's saying the thing he says we will never get anywhere, but those who like parroting him don't want to talk about why...it's dangerous to get out and stand on your own and speak to the things I'm trying to get talked about here.

You hate me for wanting more because you don't. Good is good enough, right? Am I wrong? Why are you so placated and angry with me who just wants to see this team win SBs? Why?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

So this is another thread that you are trying to hi-jack and make it all about you?

I'm sorry you are going to have to add a little more context to make that happen.
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Beast and steveishere are having a pretty good discussion, both have their view and neither is wrong.
Both are making me go back and rethink my position.
Plenty of context to review !👍

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#50

Buck, I am glad something is making you think. That's a great thing. You don't have to mention me ever, but I know I make you think...all kinds of things.

I think like Belichick because I think like Belichick. What that means to you it means to you. I don't think like MM and I do think a lot of people here and elsewhere are shills for the HC. It's a fan staple everywhere. Follow the HC's lead. Is that not accurate? Tell me? When I look honestly at the differences between Bill Belichick and Mike McCarthy I can't help but find myself agreeing with Belichick over Mike McCarthy. I watch a lot of Pats games...find myself usually in total agreement with Belichick's strategy, game management, etc. It makes sense to what I would do...Now, with MM, I don't feel that same way at all. Not because I want to follow Bill and not be like Mike...it's just how I see and think. I'm pointing it out for discussion because it's true many are like Mike here and have been for a long time. Some aren't. Some blast the guy like he should be blasted and question his chest pounding about being a highly successful coach.

A lot of discussion with me won't happen just because. Nobody wants me to be right. Nerd was getting praise from you regarding what he said about Hundley prior to Steelers game. I just smiled at that. Touting someone who makes more stuff up than anyone I've ever seen was fun to see. It runs deep. Someone who incessantly promotes Hundley and says the same thing week after week is hailed for "calling it"? Any balance after Tampa? Nope. Now, Nerd is saying... Let's see what he's got at CLE? Oh my... It's amazing. Let's see what he's got? This is below base level stuff. I don't belong here. I often wonder why I try. I watch a lot of football. I'm not Packers-centric like many...I am aware of what is going on around the NFL as I watch a lot of games and different teams and follow it closely year round. To have to try and debate with those who just watch Packers games and are unaware of much else is a bad mix. I get to be the big bad bully who some think is bragging on himself that thinks he's better than everyone. It's just that I'm different than you and that's as polite as I can be without being slammed as more insulting pejorative terms.

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