beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
7 years ago
I think it's a very good article, that's pointing out McCarthy is running deep routes still, Hundley just has not been seeing them and pulling the trigger... Hundley is playing like he's still in his college offense which had a ton of short passes, not looking downfield and running at the any slight of possible pressure (even when the OL has it blocked up pretty well).

Though I must say, the second to last drive in the Lions game, gave me some hope for Hundley can start looking downfield in the future. Though the next three games look like tougher defenses.

Hundley is handcuffing McCarthy, not the other way around.
______________________________________________________________
And check out one line in the “Bottom Line” section: “It 2014, more than 54 percent of his pass attempts were from six yards and in, including 29 percent from behind the line of scrimmage, which is nothing like an NFL offense.”
______________________________________________________________

Of Hundley’s first 18 passes against the Lions, 13 were thrown five yards downfield or shorter. Part of this was scheme; McCarthy incorporated some college-like plays that got the ball out of Hundley’s hands quick. Much of it, however, was Hundley’s inability or unwillingness to throw the ball down the field to open receivers. Time and again, he passed up opportunities to go downfield.

The very first drive against the Lions was filled with missed chances.
______________________________________________________________

Again, all these plays point back to his weaknesses coming out of college. Hundley doesn’t look comfortable playing from the pocket. He’s struggling to anticipate throws and openings downfield. His internal clock – which McCarthy actually talked about at length after his start against the Saints – is a mess. He doesn’t feel the rush, but he sees the rush. His tendency is to throw underneath. And he’s not capable of creating in the passing game when he’s outside the pocket.

McCarthy has had three years to iron out the wrinkles in Hundley’s game, so he’s not absolved of blame. But it’s certainly possible these are fatal flaws, and no playcalling decisions from McCarthy are going to consistently mask his weaknesses as a quarterback.

packerswire  wrote:


Nelson was open for the TD with a good pass (there more clips in the article).



UserPostedImage
gbguy20
7 years ago
This video makes me sad. But this is the play everyone pointed out from the tv broadcast. Id like to see more detail rather than all these generalizations.
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
nerdmann
7 years ago
He has been giving too much ground on those scrambles, but I think he's looked ok throwing from outside the pocket. Better than I expected. I didn't like that late throw across his body over the middle though.

Interesting about the scripted plays though. People always say he practices extremely well. "Always lights it up in practice." Maybe he just needs to get comfortable out there, let his balls settle down out of his throat.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
7 years ago

This video makes me sad. But this is the play everyone pointed out from the tv broadcast. Id like to see more detail rather than all these generalizations.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



There is more videos if you go to the article , I just didn't want to post them all.

~ Picture of TE Kendricks open in the deep middle zone of the field.
~ Video of no throwing to an open Nelson after the CB trips on the release.
~ Video of Adams being open on a mid level crossing route and instead hits the short check down route which is covered well.
~ Video of the OL forming a solid pocket for him, and he runs out of it, giving the edge defender an open rush and shot on him. To be fair, the RB got beat fairly quickly, but he was running away from his protection before the RB even engaged the blitzing DB.
UserPostedImage
beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
7 years ago

Interesting about the scripted plays though. People always say he practices extremely well. "Always lights it up in practice." Maybe he just needs to get comfortable out there, let his balls settle down out of his throat.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


Well the different between practice and games is that he can get hit in games. Maybe that's making him nervous? But if he doesn't trust his protection or unwilling to look down field then he's already lost. And yes Zero, he's still a growing boy and improvement is the name of the game right now, which he did improve on the last two drives of the Lions game, lets see if he can carry that over into the future.

UserPostedImage
nerdmann
7 years ago

There is more videos if you go to the article , I just didn't want to post them all.

~ Picture of TE Kendricks open in the deep middle zone of the field.
~ Video of no throwing to an open Nelson after the CB trips on the release.
~ Video of Adams being open on a mid level crossing route and instead hits the short check down route which is covered well.
~ Video of the OL forming a solid pocket for him, and he runs out of it, giving the edge defender an open rush and shot on him. To be fair, the RB got beat fairly quickly, but he was running away from his protection before the RB even engaged the blitzing DB.

Originally Posted by: beast 



The anticipation will be there as soon as he's able to get up to game speed and get in the zone. I believe that will come with time. Like I said, by all accounts he "lights it up" in practice.

Still more worried about the pass rush. Biegel needs to be pass rush Jesus. Biegel and Montravius Adams.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
I have to disagree with the article. The first still photo is impossible to say what was happening. My guess would be that Kendricks was the 2nd option, after the first option was unavailable because Bulaga was pushed into the throwing lane. To throw to Kendricks he would have needed to throw it over him to about the 25, the Safety is sitting in perfect position to get a pick or kill Kendricks.

The video where Jordy is "open". He might have been able to get the throw off but I don't think he had the time. In order to get the ball to Jordy, when hundley gets to his 5th step of the drop, he has to look right for a couple counts to either move the S away from Jordy or delay the S enough for Jordy to get past him then throw over. Problem is by that time, he knows Jones missed his block and the outside rush is coming quick. Might have been able to get it off but I don't think so

the third one Hundley does exactly what he is supposed to. He rolls and his first option is open so he makes the throw, only for it to be dropped.


McCarthy has a young QB and should know that he isn't going to be standing in the pocket for 10 seconds, so McCarthy needs to adjust the plays to get him more options for good quick short throws.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Nonstopdrivel
7 years ago
UserPostedImage

"Inconsistent weight transfer . . . Needs to reset feet . . . Short-arms too many throws. . . ."

It would appear nothing has changed. It's the last one I notice the most -- it makes me cringe every time -- but the other two flaws in his mechanics are also still very much in evidence. Hundley looks dreadfully unpolished and amateurish when he passes, especially under duress. Sure, Rodgers doesn't always follow through the most gracefully, but he has the arm strength to compensate for his occasional mechanical quirks (most of the time). Hundley clearly does not. He looks like he's punching the ball out instead of throwing with a fluid motion, and his footwork is painful to behold. After three years of riding the bench, that is simply inexcusable. It speaks volumes to Hundley's lack of work ethic, his poor attention to detail, his dearth of talent, or some combination of the above. It also reflects poorly on McCarthy's formerly vaunted quarterback development prowess.
UserPostedImage
yooperfan
7 years ago
So much for the “ quarterback guru “ thing.
beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
7 years ago

It also reflects poorly on McCarthy's formerly vaunted quarterback development prowess.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

So much for the “ quarterback guru “ thing.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I've been wondering if McCarthy could develop a QB in the post CBA NFL... as I believe MM has stated that the CBA directly interferes and shortens his important offseason "QB school" (as I think he called it).

I believe I've seen a lot less developed QBs, while the top QBs number might be the same, I felt like there was a better market of 2nd/3rd string QBs that could play some... of course that also might be because most teams are only keeping 2 QBs on their 53 man roster now, when they used to keep 3... or something along those lines (also things like NFL Europe).
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (2h) : The menu you expanded to log in, it's the first icon under "PackersHome" .. maybe i should add text to it
dfosterf (2h) : Feelin' pfowish can't find the sun. No big deal, will drag a laptop out when the time comes
Zero2Cool (2h) : if you're on mobile, open the menu and its the "sun" icon
dfosterf (2h) : Can't find the toggle, lol
dfosterf (2h) : I can find that the Microsoft lady rep for Titletown Tech is the philanthropy boss for the entire Microsoft corporation, but. .
Zero2Cool (2h) : There's a toggle for light/dark theme. Super easy.
dfosterf (3h) : The white background beta was hard to read, especially the quotes
dfosterf (3h) : Hopefully the color scheme remains the same
dfosterf (3h) : *Friday*
dfosterf (3h) : 100 million would be 539 million as of Fridsy
dfosterf (3h) : Heck, they could have taken a hundred milliion and invested in DAVE inc. last year (semi random, humor, but real)
dfosterf (3h) : Beer brat and ticket is where the money comes from
dfosterf (4h) : The 40th is Titletown Tech itself. This is a pet project of both Ed Policy and Mark Murphy
Zero2Cool (4h) : New site coming along nicely. The editor is better than what we have here. Oh yeah!
dfosterf (4h) : No profit that I know of. 0 for 40
dfosterf (4h) : The woke reference has to do with the makeup and oftentimes objectives of the companies they invested in
packerfanoutwest (4h) : beer and brats woke? say whom?
beast (4h) : I don't want to get into politics, but how is, beers and brats considered to be "woke"? Food is food...
beast (4h) : That being said, I'm not saying all 100% should be that way, but not surprised if majority are Wisconsin based
beast (4h) : And if everyone has heard of them, then it it probably has less growth potential and less community based
beast (4h) : Well isn't the investing person supposed to invest the money?
dfosterf (4h) : I swear if I were to discover that one of them has invented a virtue signalling transmitter I will not be surprised, lol
dfosterf (4h) : 39 companies so far that I bet no one has ever heard of.
dfosterf (4h) : -Not saying woke, but should- borderline philanthopist venture capital excercise
dfosterf (4h) : Well for one, they are pouring resources into Title Town Tech. Investing beer, brat, hot dog, ticket money into what is pretty much...
beast (11h) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
2h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.