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uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

Is this a sign Jordy is still injured or nearing his end OR is it that Davante is ready to be a WR 1? I know what Z thinks.

Davante was unable to be a 1 when Nelson went down in 2015. While between good and very good, Adams will never be a great WR.

This is a reflection of Jordy's age and wear and tear.

The cupboard is pretty bare. 17 is not close to a 1, Jordy is diminishing, RC18 is not a viable outside WR and can't stay healthy. Davis and Janis don't play and Geronimo lacks speed even moreso than Adams.

The one deficiency Aaron Rodgers masked more than any other was our WR corps. Our group can't separate but 12 can fit it in to small windows. Not many other QBs could make this WR corps appear to be great outside of 12, and certainly not 7.

Sad to see Jordy fading. What chemistry he and 12 had. A sight to behold.

Org needs to find more speed and polish at WR. It's going to box itself in having to offer more to Adams than it should like it always seems to. The Hundley factor is our only hope on saving a few shekels.

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DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Good post. It's a mix of things and we've certainly seen for years that our WRs don't get separation consistently, although there are certainly times Adams is nasty off the line with a great slant. That being said, I want Cobb to take a game over. Of course a lot of that will depend on Hundley getting the ball out quickly, but they've got to get the ball into the hands of their playmakers, and if they aren't making plays, then put another guy in.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

7 years ago

What makes Davante Adams special is he always gets such good separation. He doesn't have great speed. I'm not sure if Adams will ever be a great WR because I'm not sure what a great WR is defined as. I say that because we had a massive debate over what a WR1 was defined as.

While I do believe Adams has progressed some, I also think Jordy has taken a step back too.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

It is also quite possible that the put him on Adams because he is easier to shut down with single coverage than Jordy. What has made Jordy so dangerous over the years is not just the deep ball, it is the back shoulder throws and stop routes also which are extremely difficult single coverage. So by doing single coverage on Adams they can roll help over the top of Jordy protecting against the go routes and allowing the CB to play a little more Trail coverage watching for the back shoulder and stops.

Remember back a few years we would bracket cover Calvin and man their #2 WR.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

I think you're talking about the coverage approach I suggested for Julio Jones. Put your CB1 on their WR2 to lock him down and then take your CB2 and S to bracket Jones. I haven't paid attention to the coverage that much to know if teams are doing that to Jordy. I don't think so though because I haven't noticed Jordy stretching the field too much.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Adams quickness and twitch off the line of scrimmage is amazing. He may never be a "great" WR. There aren't many "great" WRs in the league, period. But he is very good, and at best, the Packers only have one other "very good" WR on the team, and he may not be anything more than "good" next season. Hopefully he sticks around.

Dulak
Veteran Member

7 years ago

IMO the reason the packers have done so well is because we have had a few very good WRs not just one great one. And ya think about it if the opposing defense is putting their #1 corner or DA ... thats probably because they think he is the best WR on our team.

We are lucky to have DA on our team IMO. Only thing we need is to get ty back to catching the ball instead of trying to be a running back (no idea why we made him one anyways).

Cheesey
Preferred Member

7 years ago

Without a good QB to get them the ball, it doesn't matter how good your WRs are.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

7 years ago

AR could tell where his WR's were going to be, and "throw" the guys open. Hundley, by the time he thinks they will be open, waits, and by the time he throws the ball, the guys are again covered.

Hundley is almost in a no win situation. He doesn't have the skills (yet) to lead an NFL team. And he doesn't have the quick release that AR does. I didn't realize just how fast AR gets rid of the ball when he makes a decision, until I saw how slow to react Hundley is.

nerdmann
Premier Member

7 years ago

#10

AR could tell where his WR's were going to be, and "throw" the guys open. Hundley, by the time he thinks they will be open, waits, and by the time he throws the ball, the guys are again covered.

Hundley is almost in a no win situation. He doesn't have the skills (yet) to lead an NFL team. And he doesn't have the quick release that Aaron Rodgers does. I didn't realize just how fast Aaron Rodgers gets rid of the ball when he makes a decision, until I saw how slow to react Hundley is.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

He has to get up to game speed. He's gotta throw some dangerous balls. He's gotta take his shots. Handing the ball off for 10 weeks, like he did all preseason isn't gonna male any progress at all.

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