PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
Not to mention how many Teams run an offense that Kaepernick would fit? Not many, Even the teams with running QBs don't want to have their QBs running and would rather have a backup who can stand in the pocket and throw rather than run around.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago


I'm aware of Google, but I wanted your source so I could be on the same page as you.

I don’t like the guy as a player. I don’t think he can play. I didn’t think he could play at Reno, I don’t think he can play now. … You don’t think if he was a good player, 20 teams would be lining up? … He’s inaccurate, inconsistent reading defenses. He needs everything to be perfect around him, and he needs to run a certain offense. When he was rolling, they had an unbelievable defense and a great running game with an amazing offensive line. Everything was perfect. And you consider that, why isn’t there a debate about RG3? He just wasn’t a consideration.



Robert Griffin III comment is interesting because he's 27 and Kaepernick is 29. So someone younger and mostly the same QB without the distraction isn't getting a look either.

I personally think Kapernick has the arm strength to be on a 90 man roster, but I don't think his talent is worth one of 53 roster spots BECAUSE of the distraction he brings. It's not fair to him, but he could have curtailed this a long time ago while getting more support for his cause. He let it spiral and now we're talking about protests, instead of his cause.
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isocleas2
7 years ago

Not to mention how many Teams run an offense that Kaepernick would fit? Not many, Even the teams with running QBs don't want to have their QBs running and would rather have a backup who can stand in the pocket and throw rather than run around.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



You're right, Kaepernick is at this point only a marginal starter or likely a backup for a team who already has a reliable #1. If he was a better player some team would likely have snagged him. But this league is so deprived of quality QBs that retreads are passed around a half dozen teams before they finally are out of the league. You can't convince me that Kaepernick isn't better than 90% of those guys.

He's not signed because of his political views and the stance he took, Rodgers is right about that. Call a spade a spade, he's good enough to be a top backup but he won't because he's too controversial. The owners don't want to take flack for signing a player who rocks the boat, it disrupts the money machine. Also opening up discussions of racial inequality in the NFL comes with a whole other can of worms seeing as how 70% of the players are African American, yet only a tiny fraction of the coaches + owners are. This is a subject they rather put to bed and soon.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

You're right, Kaepernick is at this point only a marginal starter or likely a backup for a team who already has a reliable #1. If he was a better player some team would likely have snagged him. But this league is so deprived of quality QBs that retreads are passed around a half dozen teams before they finally are out of the league. You can't convince me that Kaepernick isn't better than 90% of those guys.

He's not signed because of his political views and the stance he took, Rodgers is right about that. Call a spade a spade, he's good enough to be a top backup but he won't because he's too controversial. The owners don't want to take flack for signing a player who rocks the boat, it disrupts the money machine. Also opening up discussions of racial inequality in the NFL comes with a whole other can of worms seeing as how 70% of the players are African American, yet only a tiny fraction of the coaches + owners are. This is a subject they rather put to bed and soon.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



I'm sure his comments play into the decision. But it is mostly his ability to play in the system that teams are using. I could possibly see a handful of teams where he might fit as a backup, Carolina, Seattle for example. There are far more teams where he wouldn't fit. Teams don't want to have to change the offense for their backup. That is also why you don't see more Left hand QB's/Backups. Kaepernick can do the read option and run. he isn't that good throwing. He is inaccurate and lacks touch. Can get that cheaper and without the baggage.
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Porforis
7 years ago

I'm sure his comments play into the decision. But it is mostly his ability to play in the system that teams are using. I could possibly see a handful of teams where he might fit as a backup, Carolina, Seattle for example. There are far more teams where he wouldn't fit. Teams don't want to have to change the offense for their backup. That is also why you don't see more Left hand QB's/Backups. Kaepernick can do the read option and run. he isn't that good throwing. He is inaccurate and lacks touch. Can get that cheaper and without the baggage.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



And younger. If you need to retool your offense to accommodate someone, it might as well be someone that can be your QB of the future if he develops into something good/great.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

You're right, Kaepernick is at this point only a marginal starter or likely a backup for a team who already has a reliable #1. If he was a better player some team would likely have snagged him. But this league is so deprived of quality QBs that retreads are passed around a half dozen teams before they finally are out of the league. You can't convince me that Kaepernick isn't better than 90% of those guys.

He's not signed because of his political views and the stance he took, Rodgers is right about that. Call a spade a spade, he's good enough to be a top backup but he won't because he's too controversial. The owners don't want to take flack for signing a player who rocks the boat, it disrupts the money machine. Also opening up discussions of racial inequality in the NFL comes with a whole other can of worms seeing as how 70% of the players are African American, yet only a tiny fraction of the coaches + owners are. This is a subject they rather put to bed and soon.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



I disagree. There is no way Kapernick is better than 90% of the QB's out there or even backups. That's absurd. He is not a pocket passer. He has to be in a read-option offense and if you tailor your offense around that, you need a similar backup. The Seahawks made sense. But again, he's 29 years old, he's not a spring chicken so why would you use your roster spot (plus VETERAN salary) on a guy who won't play, but will unfairly to him brings a large distraction?

I do not fault Kapernick here, not at all. The distraction, sure, he could have curtailed it long time ago, but so what. It's the stupid ignorant fucktard media that is ruining his chances. How many more god damn times are we going to be told who stood vs who sat for the Anthem?

The cause is REAL. The cause needs attention. We are NOT giving the cause attention, we're more worried about some 29 year old QB who knelt during the anthem (who btw said he will stand now) in a silent, peaceful protest.


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steveishere
7 years ago

I disagree. There is no way Kapernick is better than 90% of the QB's out there or even backups. That's absurd. He is not a pocket passer. He has to be in a read-option offense and if you tailor your offense around that, you need a similar backup. The Seahawks made sense. But again, he's 29 years old, he's not a spring chicken so why would you use your roster spot (plus VETERAN salary) on a guy who won't play, but will unfairly to him brings a large distraction?

I do not fault Kapernick here, not at all. The distraction, sure, he could have curtailed it long time ago, but so what. It's the stupid ignorant fucktard media that is ruining his chances. How many more god damn times are we going to be told who stood vs who sat for the Anthem?

The cause is REAL. The cause needs attention. We are NOT giving the cause attention, we're more worried about some 29 year old QB who knelt during the anthem (who btw said he will stand now) in a silent, peaceful protest.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I mean you can say he's not a pocket passer but he's really not any worse at passing than guys like McCown, Bortles, Glennon, Mallett, Hackenberg and all the other low end starters and pretty much any back up. Just because there is an offensive style that Kap could excel in doesn't mean he's automatically worse in a regular offense than some of these QBs out there who are terrible in any offense.

I don't really care if teams don't want to sign Kap because of his politics and I never liked the guy even before his protest thing but this anonymous stuff coming from NFL sources suggesting his playing ability is the ONLY reason he's not on a team rubs me the wrong way. If that's the only reason then you wouldn't need to be anonymous to say so.

Look at Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert, these guys are basically guaranteed back up jobs and have never met an offense they couldn't run into the ground.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I mean you can say he's not a pocket passer but he's really not any worse at passing than guys like McCown, Bortles, Glennon, Mallett, Hackenberg and all the other low end starters and pretty much any back up. Just because there is an offensive style that Kap could excel in doesn't mean he's automatically worse in a regular offense than some of these QBs out there who are terrible in any offense.

I don't really care if teams don't want to sign Kap because of his politics and I never liked the guy even before his protest thing but this anonymous stuff coming from NFL sources suggesting his playing ability is the ONLY reason he's not on a team rubs me the wrong way. If that's the only reason then you wouldn't need to be anonymous to say so.

Look at Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert, these guys are basically guaranteed back up jobs and have never met an offense they couldn't run into the ground.

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Kapernick couldn't beat out Blaine Gabbert.
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isocleas2
7 years ago

I disagree. There is no way Kapernick is better than 90% of the QB's out there or even backups. That's absurd. He is not a pocket passer. He has to be in a read-option offense and if you tailor your offense around that, you need a similar backup. The Seahawks made sense. But again, he's 29 years old, he's not a spring chicken so why would you use your roster spot (plus VETERAN salary) on a guy who won't play, but will unfairly to him brings a large distraction?

I do not fault Kapernick here, not at all. The distraction, sure, he could have curtailed it long time ago, but so what. It's the stupid ignorant fucktard media that is ruining his chances. How many more god damn times are we going to be told who stood vs who sat for the Anthem?

The cause is REAL. The cause needs attention. We are NOT giving the cause attention, we're more worried about some 29 year old QB who knelt during the anthem (who btw said he will stand now) in a silent, peaceful protest.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I said Kaepernick is better than 90% of the retread career backup qbs who seem to hang around the league for years after you thought they stopped playing. He's obviously not better than 90% of starting Qbs or even many of the younger up and comers. For example Kaepernick may very well be better than Hundley this season but Hundley's future is obviously brighter.

I mean if I need to I could go through all the teams and probably pick out 15 guys who will be on a 53 this year that are no better than Kaepernick and likely worse. That sounds like alot of work just to defend my position but check it out for yourself. Scott Tolzien is still in the league. Kellen Moore, Sean Mannion, Ryan Griffin, none of these guys will ever win a playoff game but they'll be on a roster.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I said Kaepernick is better than 90% of the retread career backup qbs who seem to hang around the league for years after you thought they stopped playing. He's obviously not better than 90% of starting Qbs or even many of the younger up and comers. For example Kaepernick may very well be better than Hundley this season but Hundley's future is obviously brighter.

I mean if I need to I could go through all the teams and probably pick out 15 guys who will be on a 53 this year that are no better than Kaepernick and likely worse. That sounds like alot of work just to defend my position but check it out for yourself. Scott Tolzien is still in the league. Kellen Moore, Sean Mannion, Ryan Griffin, none of these guys will ever win a playoff game but they'll be on a roster.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



The guys you mentioned do not carry a distraction. That is the key element here. Talent must out weigh distraction and Kaerpnicks talent does not outweigh the distraction.

I can't make this more simple than that. It annoyed me how people anointed Kapernick "great" during his EIGHT game run during 49ers super bowl season when watching him it was so obvious he was NOT great. Now he has some unfair (fucktard media driven) distraction and that outweighs his value to a team.

Think about this for a second. We are a PACKERS fan site and we're talking about Colin Kaepernick's roster status. The distraction is REAL. This freaking proves it! Who the hell wants that on their plate? And for a QB like Kaepernick who WAS BEAT OUT BY BLAINE FREAKING GABBERT! lol


Edit (beat out is not accurate, he was replaced with Gabbert because he wasn't getting it done)...

Also, I wanted to like Kaepernick because I'm a homer, I like Wisconsin born/raised players. But the games I watched him play and ... sorry ... he's not that good.
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