Zero2Cool
7 years ago
What do you think about what you've seen from Josh Hawkins?

Second-year cornerback has patterned his game after Sam Shields

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nerdmann
7 years ago
I like him. This defense needs speed. Seems like he held up pretty well against starters this past week. Hope he can do that consistently.


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uffda udfa
7 years ago
Hawkins seems to always be upright, as in very stiff, when he's on the field. I'm not sure that's how he always looks but whenever I watch him he seems to be stiff as a board. His non height/weight measurables are really good but like with Janis I wonder about his ability to be a consistent performer. He's only 5'10 and 189 but runs like the wind. Perhaps, that is how he'll best emulate Shields is by running fast to make up for whatever mistakes he makes out there?

If I judged Hawkins vs. the rest of the NFL I would say he's well below average, but looking at what we have he looks a lot better in comparison. I doubt he is now or ever will be any kind of reasonable answer to our CB woes.



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beast
7 years ago

I don't think I've followed him enough this training camp to say much...

But he looked very good in Redskins game, though I thought TE Vernon Davis surprised him with speed and beat him deep. If the QB throw it higher that would of been a TD... but it was low and in the perfect spot for Hawkins to knock it away. Very good game for Hawkins.

Last year I thought Hawkins had amazing hand eye coordination, doing a great job of getting his hand on the ball. Hawkins wasn't catching them, but knocking them away. Hawkins seemed to attempt to bait the QB by purposely giving the WR separation gambling he could get to the ball's path before the ball could get to the WR... and to Hawkin's credit, he did a great job of it... BUT... that was against back-up QBs, I think a good starter would of been able to throw it faster and better placement around him.

Basically it looked like Hawkins was playing some high risk / high reward zone concepts, like he did in college, but while in man coverage. The Packers have mainly focused on man coverage, but they did seem to run more zone coverage than normal with all the injured CBs last year.
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DarkaneRules
7 years ago
He's got all the physical tools you look for except height but his longer than average arms for that height should help compensate for that. At this point, and for most players, it's about the mental and being consistent. I believe his ceiling it very high. I think the same of King, who is a year behind. If those guys continue to progress then the future at CB looks hopeful.
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7 years ago
I hope he continues to develop. Being a tad short is problematic but if he's in good position it won't be as critical.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago
We can't afford to wait much longer for Hawkins to develop. This is his 3rd year. It seems all but Davon House are in this 3-4 year development window. We can't have a stable of young guys all trying to develop playing such an important position.

Hawkins either gets it this year or it's time to send him away along with a bunch of other guys who have had far too long to get it. It didn't take Sam Shields as long as it's been taking everyone but House at CB and he was a UDFA just like Hawkins. Plus, Sam was converted back to CB from WR at The U. You either can play or you can't at that position. It shouldn't take 3-4 years for anyone to develop and you really shouldn't be going with that philosophy at that position in the first place.
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DarkaneRules
7 years ago
He's in year 2.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

He's in year 2.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Thanks for the correction. I thought it was Year 3. This should be it for him to see what he has. Outside of an injury or injuries you should be able to show what you might bring to the table in 2 years. I don't mind if we have a couple of developmental guys on the roster but to have our entire CB stable outside of House be a bunch of guys who we have no clue about is horrifying and wrong.


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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

Thanks for the correction. I thought it was Year 3. This should be it for him to see what he has. Outside of an injury or injuries you should be able to show what you might bring to the table in 2 years. I don't mind if we have a couple of developmental guys on the roster but to have our entire CB stable outside of House be a bunch of guys who we have no clue about is horrifying and wrong.

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Commonly accepted it takes 3 years to properly and accurately evaluate a player. We've kept Jeff Janis around going into his 4th year and the guy has shown us absolutely nothing outside of special teams. 😁

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