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8 years ago

NFC North Q&A: How much longer can Aaron Rodgers keep playing at his current level?

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Disingenuous article.

First of all just how well IS Aaron playing? Let's recall the past two years. 2015, he goes 6-0, thhen the wheels came off until Mike McCarthy took back play calling duties in a desperate attempt to right the ship. Then in 2016, Aaron was back to his old stat whoring ways, passing up the open guy to heave it deep all thhe time, until we were 4-6 and forced to run the table just to make the post season. Fortunately Aaron was able to start "really trying" by executing the offense most of the time, and we were able to do so, until the NFCCG.

Second of all, as the article points out, Aaron's mobility is a large part of his game. Brady is able to play well at 40, because he hits the open guy and functions wihin the confines of the offense. He's not scrambling around trying to make the highlight reel, holding the ball for 8 seconds or more and taking unnecessary hits. Aaron is.

FACT. If Aaron really wants to emulate Brady by playing well until he is 40, perhaps he could do more than merely adhere to Brady's dietary protocols.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Baring injury, there is no reason to expect that he won't be able to play as long as Brady has. He will have to adjust some as he gets a little older and may start to lose some mobility. Brady is often criticized for going fetal when the pass rush is coming. When that is something that has saved him abuse. Rodgers accomplishes the same thing, in a different way and he learned much of it from Favre. Lots of the hits he does take, are not hard because he is usually moving away from the impact.

And less face it, taking a sack after 3 seconds or that sack coming after 6 is still getting hit and taking a sack. The sack after 6 is probably less of an impact.
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DoddPower
8 years ago
I don't think Rodgers will last as long as Brady, unless he's willing to take a backup role. Aaron Rodgers' game is being an athletic quarterback that scrambles to make plays. I'm not sure why so many get so hung up on this. Like, THAT'S HIS GAME! That's who he is. Expecting that to quickly change is unreasonable. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the reality of who Rodgers is.

Favre played his game, Brady plays his game, Rodgers plays his game. There are pros and cons to all of the different ways, but the players have to be true to themselves and their innate abilities and instincts. Hopefully Rodgers can slowly change his game to enhance his longevity, but I doubt he will be nearly the same player when and if he does. He might still be a decent QB, but if he changes what makes him special in the first place, he will likely no longer be special.

I think I have read somewhere that Rodgers says he will keep playing as long as he "has his legs." I can't imagine him "keeping his legs" for more than 3-4 additional years.
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8 years ago

Disingenuous article.

First of all just how well IS Aaron playing? Let's recall the past two years. 2015, he goes 6-0, thhen the wheels came off until Mike McCarthy took back play calling duties in a desperate attempt to right the ship. Then in 2016, Aaron was back to his old stat whoring ways, passing up the open guy to heave it deep all thhe time, until we were 4-6 and forced to run the table just to make the post season. Fortunately Aaron was able to start "really trying" by executing the offense most of the time, and we were able to do so, until the NFCCG.

Second of all, as the article points out, Aaron's mobility is a large part of his game. Brady is able to play well at 40, because he hits the open guy and functions wihin the confines of the offense. He's not scrambling around trying to make the highlight reel, holding the ball for 8 seconds or more and taking unnecessary hits. Aaron is.

FACT. If Aaron really wants to emulate Brady by playing well until he is 40, perhaps he could do more than merely adhere to Brady's dietary protocols.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Speaking of being disingenuous . How do you go from something is wrong with him when he's not racking up amazing stats and then when he is, he's a stat whore?
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When a QB holds on to a football for more than 3 to 4 seconds , it's because his WR's are not getting open . In addition , not getting sacked when he has to hold on to the football is a tribute to his abilities and to his Offensive Line .

I can remember when Rodgers and his WRs/TEs were so closely in sync. , that they were showing the rest of the league how it's done . Also Rodgers next contract will likely allow him to play into his 40's if he chooses to . [cool]

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Speaking of being disingenuous . How do you go from something is wrong with him when he's not racking up amazing stats and then when he is, he's a stat whore?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I'm in favor of hitting the open guy, like Tom Brady. Being able to strike deep is nice, but let's just move the chains this year, so we don't end up 4-6 with our backs against the wall.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Love when people who have no idea what the play called was, or what the progressions of the play are, act like the do.
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Speaking of being disingenuous . How do you go from something is wrong with him when he's not racking up amazing stats and then when he is, he's a stat whore?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Because Nerd is not a monosyllabic thinker! Monosyllabic Cavemen think like this: fire good; Rodgers good; Adams bad! Stats good, play good!

The enlightened and heighten mind realizes fire is good and bad, it cooks and warms, but also burns and destroys. And also knows every player performs very good and very bad plays and everything in between. What separates the good player from bad is the ratio of good to bad plays he performs. And the enlightened realize good NFL stats do not always follow from good play.

A stat whore is a guy that puts his desire for stats above what's best for the team.

Rodgers has killed 3 of 4 drives by refusing to move the chains; and then makes a few big plays; thereby having good stats but hurting the team. I've seen him work to move the chains with great brilliance and playing within the offense and doing everything to help the team win. In the former Rodgers is a stat whore hurting the team [this is bad play]; in the later Rodgers is a good player.

When Rodgers plays well; he's better than Brady. But, over the last 2 years when Rodgers has played bad; he has been exponentially worse than when Brady is at his worst. And of course Rodgers doesn't play his best ball when the pressure is on, like Brady does.

I say let the contract pretty much play out; unless he reverts back to Douchebag. If he demands to be highest paid; then let him be for another team. If he takes a Brady like team first approach to his salary that will be a good indication Rodgers is keeping his doche under control; then let him play until he's 50.
DoddPower
8 years ago
I don't necessary get the constant comparisons to Brady. What QB in history will look as good as Brady has in terms of overall successes? Is arguably the best QB of all time the standard in which all QBs will be judged? Is Derek Carr being judged that way?

Moreover, I still say Rodgers career would have been much different up to this point if he had both the coaching and especially the defenses that Brady has had. Overall on average, the differences between the defenses have been night and day. Rodgers knows the team lives and dies with him. Brady knows they at least have a chance if he is struggling. Rodgers may not play his best in the biggest moments (except of course for his amazing Super Bowl run and Super Bowl MVP). But overall, how have his defenses played during those same biggest moments? No, but of course, it's all on Rodgers, just like it's always been.

None of this is to say Rodgers is perfect or couldn't be better. That's rhetorical. But things need to be contextualized when making impossible comparisons between two different players on two different teams in different circumstances, different coaching, and different defenses.
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I don't necessary get the constant comparisons to Brady. What QB in history will look as good as Brady has in terms of overall successes?

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



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Brady 6th round draft pick.
Bart 17th round.
Give Bart the softer passing league rules, 16 games a season and he would have comp stats.
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8 years ago

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Brady 6th round draft pick.
Bart 17th round.
Give Bart the softer passing league rules, 16 games a season and he would have comp stats.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



lol, touche. But my point is the top 2-3 QBs in the history of football can't necessarily be the metric of a successful, good, or even great QB. Those 2-3 are the best 2-3 for a reason. Most will never be that good, but that doesn't mean they still aren't great QBs.

Although I still contend everyone would think differently about Aaron Rodgers if he had the defenses Brady has often had.
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lol, touche. But my point is the top 2-3 QBs in the history of football can't necessarily be the metric of a successful, good, or even great QB. Those 2-3 are the best 2-3 for a reason. Most will never be that good, but that doesn't mean they still aren't great QBs.

Although I still contend everyone would think differently about Aaron Rodgers if he had the defenses Brady has often had.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Your right about successful QB's , they are usually part of a successful TEAM . Starr and the 60's Packers , Bradshaw and his 70's Steelers , Montana and the 80's 49ers , Aikman and the 90's Cowboys , and Brady with the Belicheck Patriots played on great Teams.

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

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8 years ago

Your right about successful QB's , they are usually part of a successful TEAM . Starr and the 60's Packers , Bradshaw and his 70's Steelers , Montana and the 80's 49ers , Aikman and the 90's Cowboys , and Brady with the Belicheck Patriots played on great Teams.

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Funny the team's you referenced were from BEFORE FREE AGENCY and BEFORE THERE WAS A SALARY CAP!
Oh and There wasn't 32 team's in the league!
Much larger pool to draw from!

I wonder how any of us would react if we were held to 100% accountability?

I've seen some questioning the coaching.

Who was it that turned Aaron into a. Viable starting QB while sitting behind Brett his 1st 3 years?

Aaron wadnt ready to start, he has said it himself.

So tired off all these comparisons.

You can't appreciate what Aaron is brought to the table the last nine years, you never will.

Enjoy while hr is here, when he gone who knows when The Packers will get it back.




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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Have the Patriots really had that much more talent? I don't think they have. This is where I think it is more a coaching difference. McCarthy seems more stuck that the players need to perform in what he wants to do, and the Pats seem more inclined to change what they do depending on the players they have available.
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isocleas2
8 years ago
I don't think Rodgers will slow down anytime soon, barring a career ending injury I think he'll play until he's 39-42 if he wants to. Remember he has a little more tread left on his tires than most qbs since he got to hold a clipboard the first few seasons instead of being thrown into the fire like alot of first round picks.

His athleticism hasn't diminished much and he's so smart that even when it does he'll still be dangerous. Look at Favre for example, the guy didn't know basic terminology coming out of college (way behind Rodgers mentally) and by the end of his career he was more dangerous for his reading of defenses than he was for his arm. 38 year old Rodgers will still make defensive coordinators shit their pants.
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Moreover, I still say Rodgers career would have been much different up to this point if he had both the coaching and especially the defenses that Brady has had....

Rodgers may not play his best in the biggest moments (except of course for his amazing Super Bowl run and Super Bowl MVP).

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Have the Patriots really had that much more talent? I don't think they have. This is where I think it is more a coaching difference.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



First, in the Superbowl run after the O getting what should be insurmountable leads if Rodgers kept executing, the D had to close out Philly, Chicago and Pitts games, when the O stopped effectively moving the ball.

The plays and coaching is the same when Rodgers goes thru his progressions and hits the 1st open man [the offense cant be stopped] and when Rodgers passes up or doesn't even look at early reads on shorter routes [so he can get sacked or run around like an idiot causing the O to be a embarrassment even though he makes an occasional big play]. It is not the coaching; it is the QB's execution of the offense that has led to the unevenness over the last 2 years. If it was coaching, the O would suck all the time.

In the playoffs as Nerd has pointed out 1000x; the O gets conservative with a lead. But we know every run play has a pass option and Rodgers can always audible. When, for example, a run play is called MM doesn't know the D is putting 10 in the box, so the job falls to Rodgers to flip to pass or audible. MM has said he has complete trust in Rodgers, so that means he is not pulling in the reins. the O getting conservative is 90-100% on RODGERS.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Another example of somebody pretending they know what plays are called, what the pre-snap reads were and what the actual progressions are, what the defensive tendencies are. Just because a player is open at a certain time when looking at a video or picture doesn't mean he was open or even an option in the play.
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Another example of somebody pretending they know what plays are called, what the pre-snap reads were and what the actual progressions are, what the defensive tendencies are. Just because a player is open at a certain time when looking at a video or picture doesn't mean he was open or even an option in the play.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Pretty arrogant argument assuming that what you know or have the acumen to understand and observe is the limit for everyone else. Explains a lot!

We’ll start simple. With some football knowledge, intellectual acumen and an OPEN mind, one can see a RB run left, see every O player accounting for a D player doing something that contributes to a run left, and then state in a forum the play called for the RB to run left. Ya know because it was a run left. You don’t need to know the play, what the pass option was or presnap reads or defensive tendencies. But, you do have to open your eyes, your mind and OBSERVE what occurred and probably watch the play in slow mo several times.

If you study for example the adjustments, the influencing objectives of each route, the progressions, hot reads and so forth in the queen right pair fuzz fox 600 solid u quick poco Z corner or the west flop vr t hound 6 hot all cross U shoot; and pair this with some of the stuff above you too can make some pretty damn strong educated guesses as to what the progressions were on any given MM designed play you just observed.

Or you can keep blaming the coaching, 😂; god, if you only knew how silly that is! McCarthy is the best coach we’ve ever had and it’s not even close.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Pretty arrogant argument assuming that what you know or have the acumen to understand and observe is the limit for everyone else. Explains a lot!

We’ll start simple. With some football knowledge, intellectual acumen and an OPEN mind, one can see a RB run left, see every O player accounting for a D player doing something that contributes to a run left, and then state in a forum the play called for the RB to run left. Ya know because it was a run left. You don’t need to know the play, what the pass option was or presnap reads or defensive tendencies. But, you do have to open your eyes, your mind and OBSERVE what occurred and probably watch the play in slow mo several times.

If you study for example the adjustments, the influencing objectives of each route, the progressions, hot reads and so forth in the queen right pair fuzz fox 600 solid u quick poco Z corner or the west flop vr t hound 6 hot all cross U shoot; and pair this with some of the stuff above you too can make some pretty damn strong educated guesses as to what the progressions were on any given Mike McCarthy designed play you just observed.

Or you can keep blaming the coaching, 😂; god, if you only knew how silly that is! McCarthy is the best coach we’ve ever had and it’s not even close.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



You can lie to yourself all you want. Reality is you don't know what plays are called, what the defensive tendencies are for each team and individual player tendencies on those teams, what checks were made. The simple fact that if a defense lines up a certain way, it will change the progressions of the play.

And it is amazing how you can contradict yourself in a single post. With all these screw ups by Rodgers that are so easy to see that even a Barfarn can do it. If that is the case, wouldn't McCarthy be to blame for letting it go on?
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