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8 years ago

I don't necessary get the constant comparisons to Brady. What QB in history will look as good as Brady has in terms of overall successes?

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



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Brady 6th round draft pick.
Bart 17th round.
Give Bart the softer passing league rules, 16 games a season and he would have comp stats.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

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Brady 6th round draft pick.
Bart 17th round.
Give Bart the softer passing league rules, 16 games a season and he would have comp stats.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



lol, touche. But my point is the top 2-3 QBs in the history of football can't necessarily be the metric of a successful, good, or even great QB. Those 2-3 are the best 2-3 for a reason. Most will never be that good, but that doesn't mean they still aren't great QBs.

Although I still contend everyone would think differently about Aaron Rodgers if he had the defenses Brady has often had.
Smokey
8 years ago

lol, touche. But my point is the top 2-3 QBs in the history of football can't necessarily be the metric of a successful, good, or even great QB. Those 2-3 are the best 2-3 for a reason. Most will never be that good, but that doesn't mean they still aren't great QBs.

Although I still contend everyone would think differently about Aaron Rodgers if he had the defenses Brady has often had.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Your right about successful QB's , they are usually part of a successful TEAM . Starr and the 60's Packers , Bradshaw and his 70's Steelers , Montana and the 80's 49ers , Aikman and the 90's Cowboys , and Brady with the Belicheck Patriots played on great Teams.

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

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buckeyepackfan
8 years ago

Your right about successful QB's , they are usually part of a successful TEAM . Starr and the 60's Packers , Bradshaw and his 70's Steelers , Montana and the 80's 49ers , Aikman and the 90's Cowboys , and Brady with the Belicheck Patriots played on great Teams.

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Funny the team's you referenced were from BEFORE FREE AGENCY and BEFORE THERE WAS A SALARY CAP!
Oh and There wasn't 32 team's in the league!
Much larger pool to draw from!

I wonder how any of us would react if we were held to 100% accountability?

I've seen some questioning the coaching.

Who was it that turned Aaron into a. Viable starting QB while sitting behind Brett his 1st 3 years?

Aaron wadnt ready to start, he has said it himself.

So tired off all these comparisons.

You can't appreciate what Aaron is brought to the table the last nine years, you never will.

Enjoy while hr is here, when he gone who knows when The Packers will get it back.




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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

When I see just how talented Aaron Rodgers is , I get frustrated that he is not surrounded by such players. He and Coach McCarthy must settle for what Ted Thompson provides them . Sometimes it feels like throwing Darts while being blindfolded , your lucky if you make a bulls-eye . [twocents]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Have the Patriots really had that much more talent? I don't think they have. This is where I think it is more a coaching difference. McCarthy seems more stuck that the players need to perform in what he wants to do, and the Pats seem more inclined to change what they do depending on the players they have available.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
isocleas2
8 years ago
I don't think Rodgers will slow down anytime soon, barring a career ending injury I think he'll play until he's 39-42 if he wants to. Remember he has a little more tread left on his tires than most qbs since he got to hold a clipboard the first few seasons instead of being thrown into the fire like alot of first round picks.

His athleticism hasn't diminished much and he's so smart that even when it does he'll still be dangerous. Look at Favre for example, the guy didn't know basic terminology coming out of college (way behind Rodgers mentally) and by the end of his career he was more dangerous for his reading of defenses than he was for his arm. 38 year old Rodgers will still make defensive coordinators shit their pants.
Barfarn
8 years ago


Moreover, I still say Rodgers career would have been much different up to this point if he had both the coaching and especially the defenses that Brady has had....

Rodgers may not play his best in the biggest moments (except of course for his amazing Super Bowl run and Super Bowl MVP).

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Have the Patriots really had that much more talent? I don't think they have. This is where I think it is more a coaching difference.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



First, in the Superbowl run after the O getting what should be insurmountable leads if Rodgers kept executing, the D had to close out Philly, Chicago and Pitts games, when the O stopped effectively moving the ball.

The plays and coaching is the same when Rodgers goes thru his progressions and hits the 1st open man [the offense cant be stopped] and when Rodgers passes up or doesn't even look at early reads on shorter routes [so he can get sacked or run around like an idiot causing the O to be a embarrassment even though he makes an occasional big play]. It is not the coaching; it is the QB's execution of the offense that has led to the unevenness over the last 2 years. If it was coaching, the O would suck all the time.

In the playoffs as Nerd has pointed out 1000x; the O gets conservative with a lead. But we know every run play has a pass option and Rodgers can always audible. When, for example, a run play is called MM doesn't know the D is putting 10 in the box, so the job falls to Rodgers to flip to pass or audible. MM has said he has complete trust in Rodgers, so that means he is not pulling in the reins. the O getting conservative is 90-100% on RODGERS.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Another example of somebody pretending they know what plays are called, what the pre-snap reads were and what the actual progressions are, what the defensive tendencies are. Just because a player is open at a certain time when looking at a video or picture doesn't mean he was open or even an option in the play.
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Barfarn
8 years ago

Another example of somebody pretending they know what plays are called, what the pre-snap reads were and what the actual progressions are, what the defensive tendencies are. Just because a player is open at a certain time when looking at a video or picture doesn't mean he was open or even an option in the play.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Pretty arrogant argument assuming that what you know or have the acumen to understand and observe is the limit for everyone else. Explains a lot!

We’ll start simple. With some football knowledge, intellectual acumen and an OPEN mind, one can see a RB run left, see every O player accounting for a D player doing something that contributes to a run left, and then state in a forum the play called for the RB to run left. Ya know because it was a run left. You don’t need to know the play, what the pass option was or presnap reads or defensive tendencies. But, you do have to open your eyes, your mind and OBSERVE what occurred and probably watch the play in slow mo several times.

If you study for example the adjustments, the influencing objectives of each route, the progressions, hot reads and so forth in the queen right pair fuzz fox 600 solid u quick poco Z corner or the west flop vr t hound 6 hot all cross U shoot; and pair this with some of the stuff above you too can make some pretty damn strong educated guesses as to what the progressions were on any given MM designed play you just observed.

Or you can keep blaming the coaching, 😂; god, if you only knew how silly that is! McCarthy is the best coach we’ve ever had and it’s not even close.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Pretty arrogant argument assuming that what you know or have the acumen to understand and observe is the limit for everyone else. Explains a lot!

We’ll start simple. With some football knowledge, intellectual acumen and an OPEN mind, one can see a RB run left, see every O player accounting for a D player doing something that contributes to a run left, and then state in a forum the play called for the RB to run left. Ya know because it was a run left. You don’t need to know the play, what the pass option was or presnap reads or defensive tendencies. But, you do have to open your eyes, your mind and OBSERVE what occurred and probably watch the play in slow mo several times.

If you study for example the adjustments, the influencing objectives of each route, the progressions, hot reads and so forth in the queen right pair fuzz fox 600 solid u quick poco Z corner or the west flop vr t hound 6 hot all cross U shoot; and pair this with some of the stuff above you too can make some pretty damn strong educated guesses as to what the progressions were on any given Mike McCarthy designed play you just observed.

Or you can keep blaming the coaching, 😂; god, if you only knew how silly that is! McCarthy is the best coach we’ve ever had and it’s not even close.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



You can lie to yourself all you want. Reality is you don't know what plays are called, what the defensive tendencies are for each team and individual player tendencies on those teams, what checks were made. The simple fact that if a defense lines up a certain way, it will change the progressions of the play.

And it is amazing how you can contradict yourself in a single post. With all these screw ups by Rodgers that are so easy to see that even a Barfarn can do it. If that is the case, wouldn't McCarthy be to blame for letting it go on?
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