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8 years ago

Burnett has 9 ints in 7 years with us. Hayward had 7 picks this year for SD. Burnett is far from a sure thing when it comes to plucking them out of the air. Brice should've had that one for sure but not so sure Burnett would've been there or caught it, either.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You don't really mean to compare a CB who is covering a WR on every single play with a SS who might cover a receiver 1/2 of the time. Many of those plays he is the deep cover option. Even then QBs won't throw into double coverage.
Burnett may not be great at Int but his opportunities are a lot less.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

You don't really mean to compare a CB who is covering a WR on every single play with a SS who might cover a receiver 1/2 of the time. Many of those plays he is the deep cover option. Even then QBs won't throw into double coverage.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



THANK YOU!!! Let's not mention the plethora of snaps that Burnett has taken at ILB as well. Hey, I love me some stats, but you gotta have some kind of baseline.

I've always seen cornerbacks more apt to be one on one with WR or or take the underneath with a Safety providing help over the top.
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Barfarn
8 years ago

I really don't like Morgan Burnett, I think he would be a backup in most teams in the NFL.
So if he can't go then Brice is fine to me, the kid has lapses but he plays with heart and hits hard.

I understand that Burnett does many "invisible" things and is allegedly a key part of our defense, but the truth is that the defense is not really stellar with him, he rarely makes an impact play and HaHa is playing bad because of him.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



We saw a stark difference in defensive performance before and after Burnett's exit in Dallas.

In 2016 GB defense gave up 364 YPG; in the game Burnett missed [Det wk 3] we gave up 418 YPG
In 2015 GB gave up 347 YPG; in the 5 games Burnett missed [Wk, 1,3,4,5,6] we gave up 368 YPG [And this was when the offense was better].
In 2014 GB gave up 346 YPG; in the game he missed [NO, week 8] we gave up 495 [NO's offense is an outlier, but not by 150 yards].

I think this is a case where the stats reflect reality; Burnett is important.

Good news: There is a zero % chance that Burnett does not play in Atlanta.

Now luigis, ya know I love ya; you have great football acumen; but your critical view of our safeties makes me wonder if there is something in your past. 😂 Stabbed by too many "safety" pins as a baby? Your WR career cut short because you were "Briced" by a safety on a shallow cross? Tell us!😁 😁
steveishere
8 years ago
I love Brice's potential but he looks like he's really lost out there sometimes which is completely understandable. Exciting guy though, hopefully he can develop into something special. He reminds me of what I used to say about Desmond Bishop - when they hit somebody they stay hit. If Brice can get to where he's able to read the play and get to the ball quickly he's going to stop a lot of plays.
uffda udfa
8 years ago

You don't really mean to compare a CB who is covering a WR on every single play with a SS who might cover a receiver 1/2 of the time. Many of those plays he is the deep cover option. Even then QBs won't throw into double coverage.
Burnett may not be great at Int but his opportunities are a lot less.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Fair enough. I then offer Ha Ha who has 8 picks in his first 3 years. Morgan has 1 more pick in 4 additional seasons.

The illustration was given to indicate Morgan isn't some sure thing on INTs.

This piece sums up Morgan Burnett...

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-morgan-burnett-not-living-up-to-his-billing-b99148358z1-233187351.html 

MB is AJ Hawk. Definition of average. Brice has so much more upside it's sick but he's not close to reaching it. Brice will make a lot of plays Morgan could only dream of. Sadly, Brice also makes a lot of plays like Jerron McMillian.

You don't want the rook getting roasted by Ryan and then Ben or Brady if we advance. Gimme the average guy here who knows what he's doing because Brice is going to be exploited by the QBs left.

Brice was the most exciting player from this draft class by far and he's an afterthought UDFA. I think he has the best chance of being a real difference maker.

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beast
8 years ago

Kentrell Brice has rare speed (4.44 in 40) for a Safety and a knack for the big hit. Do you feel comfortable with Brice filling in for Morgan Burnett?

Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel 



I feel comfortable with Brice filling in for a little while, like when Burnett goes to coverage LB... but I don't think we want Brice in the whole time because it looks like he's still needs fine tuning with some things in coverage. But with the Falcons passing attack we might want as many DBs on the field as possible (if we can stop their running game with them).


On a side note, (since we're on the subject of UDFA DBs) I found it interesting CB Hawkins finished the Cowboys game... who did they take out, to put Hawkins in?

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uffda udfa
8 years ago

I feel comfortable with Brice filling in for a little while, like when Burnett goes to coverage LB... but I don't think we want Brice in the whole time because it looks like he's still needs fine tuning with some things in coverage. But with the Falcons passing attack we might want as many DBs on the field as possible (if we can stop their running game with them).


On a side note, (since we're on the subject of UDFA DBs) I found it interesting CB Hawkins finished the Cowboys game... who did they take out, to put Hawkins in?

Originally Posted by: beast 



If we played all that nickel vs. Dallas surely were going to at least do that if not put even more DBs on the field. Brice is much more of an asset up close to the LOS. Having BOTH on the field in hybrid roles would help guard against Freeman and Coleman.

One other thing. Brice looked like a dynamic natural blitzer ala Woodson in college. Would love to see Dom turn him loose in that capacity as a wrinkle.

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nerdmann
8 years ago

Maybe they can bring Woodson into TC next year to work with the DBs.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Maybe they could bring him in to play S for a couple games if Burnett has to be out.

I like Brice, but he's still a rookie. He has the skills for that hybrid S/ILB position. Definitely has speed to cover TEs/RBs.
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yooperfan
8 years ago
I just don't know what to think of Brice yet.
I think we're better with Burnett but hopefully some day....
luigis
8 years ago

We saw a stark difference in defensive performance before and after Burnett's exit in Dallas.

In 2016 GB defense gave up 364 YPG; in the game Burnett missed [Det wk 3] we gave up 418 YPG
In 2015 GB gave up 347 YPG; in the 5 games Burnett missed [Wk, 1,3,4,5,6] we gave up 368 YPG [And this was when the offense was better].
In 2014 GB gave up 346 YPG; in the game he missed [NO, week 8] we gave up 495 [NO's offense is an outlier, but not by 150 yards].

I think this is a case where the stats reflect reality; Burnett is important.

Good news: There is a zero % chance that Burnett does not play in Atlanta.

Now luigis, ya know I love ya; you have great football acumen; but your critical view of our safeties makes me wonder if there is something in your past. 😂 Stabbed by too many "safety" pins as a baby? Your WR career cut short because you were "Briced" by a safety on a shallow cross? Tell us!😁 😁

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



The stats don't lie, our defense does play better with Burnett.
I still don't like him.
I know I'm very critical with our safeties I think it is a very important position in the NFL, I concede they are better than MD Jennings 😁 .
I like the duo of HaHa and Brice if and only if you can convince me that HaHa will not play to hunt ints while trying to avoid contact.

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