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So The Giants or Bengals are going to jump at the chance at trading their franchise receivers for Cobb and Adams?

You are right it isn't going to happen

So who is this "can't miss" WR who will be available at #28?

You better be sure this guy can jump Janis, Abby, Montgomery and Adams and immediately start as the #3 wr?

What happens when #28 rolls around and their is a better player , say a TE or a DL on your board also available?
Do you forego taking that player because you have made up your mind that The Packers MUST have a 7th receiver?

For some uknown reason you could trade Cobb away, who fills his position as a rb?
There was a whole package of plays that went out the window when Cobb went down in Arizona.

I've read a lot about how The Packers don't have that change of pace 3rd rb.
They actually do, just so happens he wears a wr # on the back of his jersey.
Too many what ifs.

I've read where this upcoming draft is loaded with wr's who project to be very good.

Pretty sure Ted will grab one, hell it might be in the 1st round if a guy falls and is head over heels the BPA left on the board.

To say The Packers MUST grab a wr at #28 isn't a good decision imho.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Yes, Ted Thompson may get lucky and draft a great WR, but I'd rather not keep playing this game of chance. Other GM's aren't afraid to make deals, why is TT. Perhaps Cobb/Adams don't have much trade value, but then other GM's have made great trades with much less to offer. I'm sick of TT's play it safe way of doing things.

GB simply must in some way acquire a quality WR for the 2016 Season.
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9 years ago
Keep building this defense. Draft the best defensive player available.

I am not as worried as others are about the offense. If we go offense in the first round I hope its an OT.
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9 years ago

Yes, Ted Thompson may get lucky and draft a great WR, but I'd rather not keep playing this game of chance. Other GM's aren't afraid to make deals, why is TT. Perhaps Cobb/Adams don't have much trade value, but then other GM's have made great trades with much less to offer. I'm sick of TT's play it safe way of doing things.

GB simply must in some way acquire a quality WR for the 2016 Season.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



The guy you want doesn't exist.
Wait , yes he does.
His name is Jordy Nelson.
There is NOBODY in the draft, or playing for another team that will help any more than Jordy coming back.

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9 years ago

The guy you want doesn't exist.
Wait , yes he does.
His name is Jordy Nelson.
There is NOBODY in the draft, or playing for another team that will help any more than Jordy coming back.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



You're right...IF...he's the Jordy you remember. He's going to be 31 this upcoming season.

There is no guarantee the Jordy you remember is the one coming back for 2016. Look how much things changed for several of our players this season and they didn't tear their ACL or are going to turn 31. Jordy may be a shell of himself.

I would definitely hedge my bets on Jordy not being back 100% and effective like he was and that requires a high pick on a receiving option whether TE or WR. Ted Thompson does roll the dice all the time just in the opposite ways most GM's do. Ted Thompson will let it ride at many positions very often to the detriment of our franchise. It's nice he believes in what he's doing but he's wrong an awful lot. Time to stop shopping at the dollar store and go to some higher end establishments to get some better goods. Heck, he doesn't even go shopping all that much but let's go for once and get some higher end proven items.

Calvin Johnson told the Lions he's going to retire. How old would he be this season? Same age as Jordy and he's not coming off a shredded knee. Don't bank on Nelson being Nelson, TT.
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Why do I keep reading about people wanting to trade Cobb? He is a dangerous weapon when used properly, he's just no #1 receiver. But then again, we haven't had one of those since Javon Walker. When you are picking 28th, you are basically in best player available mode unless you have the nads to move up in the draft.

Green Bay should be willing to trade quantity of picks to improve quality. There was a time when the trade down to acquire more picks was the way to go, but not anymore. We have a solid roster, just need to add a few quality starters instead of this on the job training program we've been using. Shore up ILB and TE before the draft and then go after players you feel will be difference makers in the draft.
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9 years ago

Why do I keep reading about people wanting to trade Cobb? He is a dangerous weapon when used properly, he's just no #1 receiver. But then again, we haven't had one of those since Javon Walker. When you are picking 28th, you are basically in best player available mode unless you have the nads to move up in the draft.

Green Bay should be willing to trade quantity of picks to improve quality. There was a time when the trade down to acquire more picks was the way to go, but not anymore. We have a solid roster, just need to add a few quality starters instead of this on the job training program we've been using. Shore up ILB and TE before the draft and then go after players you feel will be difference makers in the draft.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Jordy is better than Javon Walker
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Jordy is better than Javon Walker

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Javon Walker blew his knee out in his 3rd season, we'll never know!
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9 years ago

Javon Walker blew his knee out in his 3rd season, we'll never know!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Javon blew his knee out as a kid and it screwed his career. Jordy blew his out at 30...

There is no doubt Javon Walker had more ability than Jordy Nelson...but I'm certainly not saying he was the better WR.

Javon had special special athleticism. Jordy has some nice attributes but not the arsenal Javon had.


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Javon blew his knee out as a kid and it screwed his career. Jordy blew his out at 30...

There is no doubt Javon Walker had more ability than Jordy Nelson...but I'm certainly not saying he was the better WR.

Javon had special special athleticism. Jordy has some nice attributes but not the arsenal Javon had.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Unless you consider the chemistry between Nelson and Arod. There is something special there between the two and that has to be considered. By all reports Jordy is going to be ready to go. I see no reason for concern that he won't be what he has been in the past. The go to guy for Arod.

You mentioned TE in a previous report and I do agree that speed at TE needs to be addressed. What happened this year was a Perfect Storm and if you remember the movie two huge storms came together to form one monster.
When the Packers lost Finley they lost the threat down the middle. Rogers is a decent player but he has no speed. When they lost Jordy they lost both Arod's go to player but also a player DB's had to respect going long. Again, JJ is a decent player but he caused no concern stretching the field. Thus, the DB's just ignored the field behind them unafraid of getting burned.

I think with Ty and Jordy back they can hold on their own and would only be that much better if there was a pass catching threat at TE. Not against another good WR at all. Like CB they can't have enough of those but if it's a choice between the two give me a TE that can run.

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Opinions are what this thread is all about. IMO, the Packers should get a High quality WR , weather through the draft or by Trading for one.

TE, OT, LB are other positions I read that the Packers should pursue. The off-season heals many injuries, let us all wish for good health and luck for the 2016 Packers.

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This thread still has need of more members opinions. I can't predict what/or who Ted Thompson feels the Packers should acquire this off season.

IMO, the Packers greatest need is for a DEEP THREAT WR. While I don't have an abundance of confidence in Cobb or Adams, Nelson should return to form in 2016. Janis and Abby have shown promise, but I'm hoping for a WR (from the Draft or Free Agency) that is at least
6ft 2in , Extra Large Soft Hands, and presents a REAL Deep Threat. Jones has been an asset, but he is just not the consistent deep speed threat that Aaron Rodgers needs.

The remaining Draft picks may fall to the best player available format, where I hope that special attention will be given to Defensive players. My next choice would be CB or ILB.

GO PACK GO !

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McGinn's rundown  on the top prospects.

These are the guys I like.

Ezekiel Elliott*, RB, Ohio State: 6-0, 225. Two-year starter with 592 carries for 3,961 yards (6.7) and 43 TDs. "He's a complete three-down back," one scout said. "He's really good." Stunned some scouts by telling reporters after loss to Michigan State that he didn't get the ball enough and was done as a Buckeye. "Declaring for the draft and making those statements right after a loss were very disappointing," another scout said. "Is he a selfish player? Is it all about him? He's going to have to answer a lot of questions." Ran a 4.47 40.

Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama: 6-3, 307. Played two seasons of junior college before starting two seasons for Crimson Tide. "I didn't realize how well he ran until he chased down (Carson) Wentz in the Senior Bowl," one scout said. "I'd take him (mid-first round) and not look back. You don't see his pass rush but I think he can. I think he can play nose, too." Finished with 6½ sacks and 21½ tackles for loss. "He doesn't thrill me," another scout said. "He's a nose tackle. Maybe somebody will get fired up on him. Not a pass-rush guy."

Kevin Dodd*, DE, Clemson: 6-5, 277. Fourth-year junior. "He's a little better than (teammate) Shaq Lawson," one scout said. "Really came on. His best games were probably the last six in his career, which always helps. Quality kid, all that stuff. He's a 4-3 DE pass rusher or an outside backer in a 3-4." Had 12 sacks in 39 games (15 starts).

Shaq Lawson*, DE, Clemson: 6-3, 269. Third-year junior. "Top 25," said one scout. "Pass rusher. Long arms. Really came on this year. Played behind (Vic) Beasley in the past. Totally different than Beasley. Beasley was a speed rusher. This guy's got speed and athleticism. He's just a bigger guy." Posted 20 sacks in 43 games (16 starts).

Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville: 6-11/2, 299. Undersized 3-technique with 29 starts in four seasons. "He's a move guy," one scout said. "If you put him at nose and don't move him you're going to be wasting him. He can run. He'll play at 315, 320." Models his game after Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt and Geno Atkins. "I can play in any scheme and all three downs," he said.

Emmanuel Ogbah*, DE, Oklahoma State: 6-4, 273. Fourth-year junior. "Whoever takes him will get an excellent player," one scout said. "He can play any position except nose. He does what they tell him to do. He plays the defense." Consistent production (28 sacks, 36 starts) over three seasons. "Good effort player," another scout said. "Very explosive. Late first, early second." Arms were 35½.

Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama: 6-1, 247. Started two of four years. "Ragland is a great kid, great leader, great person, great worker," said one scout with intimate knowledge of the Crimson Tide program. "His speed is good enough." Dropped 12 pounds in the last month, presumably in hopes of running a competitive 40 Sunday. Several scouts said he wasn't as good as D.J. Mosley, the Alabama ILB who went in the first round to Baltimore in 2014. Scored 10 in first attempt at the Wonderlic. "Alabama runs probably the toughest defense in college football to understand, and he ran the show," another scout said. "He had to bide his time to run the show. He did it only his senior year. He's a pretty serious football player. Very tough, very athletic, could cover really well. Mosley is a little more versatile than Ragland but Ragland can take the pounding a little bit more."

Hunter Henry*, TE, Arkansas: 6-5, 250. Moved to the head of the tight end group after Alabama's O.J. Howard returned for his senior season. "It'd be a reach to take a tight end in the first round," one scout said. "He's not a dynamic, special athlete, difference-maker like some of the tight ends that have come out recently. Like Eric Ebron or Jordan Reed or Tyler Eifert or Zach Ertz or Travis Kelce. All those guys had more athletic-receiver traits than this guy." Much faster than Green Bay's Richard Rodgers and has comparable hands, according to another scout. "He's a complete tight end," said one scout. "More of a pass catcher but he's got enough size to block." Started 30 of 38 games, finishing with 116 receptions for 1,661 (14.3) and nine TDs.

Jack Conklin*, T, Michigan State: 6-6, 308. Walk-on from Plainwell, Mich., who earned scholarship shortly after his redshirt season. "He's a mass blocker, not an explosive blocker," one scout said. "I think he's a guard or a right tackle." Started 35 games at LT and three at RT. "He's a typical Big Ten offensive lineman," another scout said. "Big, tough, nasty. Late first round." Added a third scout: "Finisher. Doesn't have elite left tackle feet but his feet are good enough. Very consistent." He compared Conklin to Green Bay RT Bryan Bulaga. 40 time of 5.00.

Derrick Henry*, RB, Alabama: 6-3, 247. Heisman Trophy winner started just 17 of 41 games. "He's very similar to (Eddie) Lacy," one scout said. "He's the workhorse." Rushed for 2,219 yards last season, bringing his three-year totals to 602 carries for 3,591 (6.0) and 42 TDs. "Great kid," another scout said. "Great production. Strong runner. Had a lot of wear and tear. Upright style of running." 40 time of 4.54.

Jaylon Smith*, ILB, Notre Dame: 6-2, 240. Seven weeks removed from suffering knee damage (torn ACL, torn lateral collateral ligament, some nerve damage) and might not be ready to play at all in 2016. "If he didn't have the blown knee I think he's in the top 10," one scout said. "Maybe he falls because of that and is there for Green Bay (at No. 27). If so, they lucked into a great player." Third-year junior with 39 starts in 39 games. "I view myself as the best player in the draft," he said. "I'm going to be a very impactful player for a long time." Projects inside in a 3-4 and on the weak side in a 4-3. "Athletic, really good pass rusher and he's also got cover skills," another scout said. "He's better than Manti Te'o."

Darron Lee*, OLB, Ohio State: 6-1, 232. Redshirt sophomore started all 28 games in 2014-'15. "Run, see, hit type guy," one scout said. "Little bit like Myles Jack. Very athletic. Little undersized. 4-3 'will' or 3-4 inside backer. Immediate nickel backer." Had 12 sacks, 27½ tackles for loss and three interceptions. "More of a finesse guy than anything," another scout said. "Has to be covered up. He goes out and plays on the slot a lot. First-round talent."


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Nerd, I appreciate your post and the valuable info it contains. It is heavy on the Defensive side and I agree that GB needs a better Defense. However I must disagree on priority need.

IMO, the TOP need is for a DEEP THREAT WR !

Following that primary critical need, Defense is certainly the greatest overall concern. That said, the CB position is my greatest defensive concern. I only need to point out the 500+ yds that P.Rivers and the Chargers put up last season. Projects and potential players at CB just are not good enough. The GB Offense can be one of the TOP in the NFL, but that matters little if the CB keep getting burned and GB gets out gunned !

ILB is the next position that should be addressed. GB needs an angry 6ft 4in , 255 lb. , that is also Smart'


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Nerd, I appreciate your post and the valuable info it contains. It is heavy on the Defensive side and I agree that GB needs a better Defense. However I must disagree on priority need.

IMO, the TOP need is for a DEEP THREAT WR !

Following that primary critical need, Defense is certainly the greatest overall concern. That said, the CB position is my greatest defensive concern. I only need to point out the 500+ yds that P.Rivers and the Chargers put up last season. Projects and potential players at CB just are not good enough. The GB Offense can be one of the TOP in the NFL, but that matters little if the CB keep getting burned and GB gets out gunned !

ILB is the next position that should be addressed. GB needs an angry 6ft 4in , 255 lb. , that is also Smart'


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Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Far as I'm concerned, any of our guys can get deep. We're getting Jordy back, Ty has proven he can get deep. Janis started catching the ball. I think the "depth" vs "one big guy like Megatron" approach is effective. All our guys are at least equivalent with Jordy Nelson/Greg Jennings when it comes to speed.

There's some guys to look at in the draft though.

We've got a ton of good Dbacks dude. They're not scrubs or UFDAs either. Dix, Rollins, Randall, even Hyde. Goodson and Gunter are projects, I suppose but I think they've both held up will in limited action. What more do you want from 5th and 6th stringers!?

I think they're looking at Jaylon Smith, btw.
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Report: Chargers open to trading out of No. 3 pick 

With Marcus Mariota already in Tennessee, there’s been talk about the Titans trading out of the first overall pick in the draft in a deal with a team looking for their own potential franchise quarterback.

They aren’t the only team at the top of the first round that could be looking to drop further down the order. The Chargers don’t have a young quarterback, but there aren’t any retirement ceremonies scheduled for Philip Rivers at this point so a quarterback-needy team could also target that spot to move up for a player like Carson Wentz or Jared Goff.



Pull the trigger Ted! 🤣

We don't need a QB, but it looks like it might be possible to move up the board this year.
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9 years ago
A target in the 2nd round should be Jerrell Adams TE out of South Carolina. The guy was underutilized in college, but definitely has some big time talent. He can stretch the field and make plays after the catch (something our current group cannot do).

Oh for the 40 time fans here, he ran around a 4.6 yesterday.
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Report: Chargers open to trading out of No. 3 pick 



Pull the trigger Ted! 🤣

We don't need a QB, but it looks like it might be possible to move up the board this year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



IMO, I'd very much like to see GB move up in the Draft, but that would seem unlikely. Ted Thompson is too timid to "pull the trigger".

As for a Deep Threat WR, I don't currently see a GB WR with "deep threat" speed. If a WR can't separate himself from a CB on a deep sideline route, then he is just another WR that can't get open ! I want GB to get a WR that scares CB's with his speed. Speed that can make Defenses change their coverage's as they "fear" the deep threat. In addition, such a WR can open up defenses that must respect a true pass threat and give other offensive assets more of an opportunity to shine.

In any case, the bottom of the 1st round is not the place to get a true impact player. The #3 overall pick could get GB the WR or ILB that could change the future.

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9 years ago

IMO, I'd very much like to see GB move up in the Draft, but that would seem unlikely. Ted Thompson is too timid to "pull the trigger".

As for a Deep Threat WR, I don't currently see a GB WR with "deep threat" speed. If a WR can't separate himself from a CB on a deep sideline route, then he is just another WR that can't get open ! I want GB to get a WR that scares CB's with his speed. Speed that can make Defenses change their coverage's as they "fear" the deep threat. In addition, such a WR can open up defenses that must respect a true pass threat and give other offensive assets more of an opportunity to shine.

In any case, the bottom of the 1st round is not the place to get a true impact player. The #3 overall pick could get GB the WR or ILB that could change the future.

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Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Moving up to #3 would also cost the Packers 3 years worth of 1st rounders
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In any case, the bottom of the 1st round is not the place to get a true impact player. The #3 overall pick could get GB the WR or ILB that could change the future.

[cheers]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



We could have had Dez Bryant instead of Bryan Bulaga. Just sayin! I believe the great Dhazer insisted on that happening.
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[quote=Bigbyfan;347181]Moving up to #3 would also cost the Packers 3 years worth of 1st rounders[/quote
Wouldn't matter, Thompson seldom gets it right in the 1st round.

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