Long don't forget they said he tested positive for roids when he was in Texas.
Heck look at the pic of him in the pic i posted of him with the Yankees and the one you have its like 2 totally different players.

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Just look at the size of his legs.........he must be using the "Thigh Master" ALOT!!!

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he has put on over 35 pounds of muscle since his rookie year.

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maybe i need new glasses but I honestly think his leg sizes are almost exactly same size in the pictures i posted

Maybe so....maybe it's just me. Anyways.....he did take them, so who can really say how much it "helped" his stats on the field.

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Simple as that.. IMO, all numbers have become meaningless due the steroid era.. one will never know if anyone was clean.

For a game that solely relies on statistics.. it has been a near fatal blow in terms of any discussion based on statistics.

The real victims in the saga.. the players that played clean.

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I agree with your post PackZ it's almost to the point they should have different sections for the hall of fame. Before roids, doing roids, after major roids. It is to the point that roids is part of baseball and just assumed. Look at football hell you can't even take diet pills or have cough syrup lol.

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Which I like, I hate nothing more than athletes taking illegal substances. They shouldn't be on TV etc. First of all they don't deserve it and second of all they're a horrible example for our kids, if I'm allowed to say that at my age.

I don't know a whole lot about the MLB, but I read up on alot of historical players and stuff, like the spitball, fatalities, Ty Cobb, Shoeless Joe Jackson etc. It's a shame when a history-rich sport like this gets screwed over by the use of this stuff. If it goes on like this, I see a Tour De France kind of approach coming up.

Somebody mentioned pitchers testing positive...

I'm going to get the exact numbers wrong, but on Mike & Mike this morning they read a list of positive steroids test of MLB players by position. I believe infield and outfield was around 30 a piece, catchers was in the 40s, but 140 pitchers tested positive.

I want to know the other 103 names on this list from 2003. The Mitchell Report came about because the only guy who would talk to the government was a guy who worked for the Mets and Yankees, so of course the majority of players he'd name would be from those two teams, with a scatered few names from other teams thrown in. So we're basically talking almost exclusively about one guy's knowledge of only TWO teams. This list from 2003 is the closest thing we'll ever have to an somewhat accurate depiction of how wide and high-reaching steroid use was, and still is.

The Mitchell Report was a joke. Not only was it a witchhunt, but the results and the methods and motivation of the people who headed the report can be debated from now till the end of time.

I will never condone steroid use, but to make A-Rod yet another scapegoat for the issue is ridiculous. Like I've said, there are 103 other names on that list, and I guarantee that his isn't the only high-profile name. The media is making it seem like it's just A-Rod's name written 104 times.

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just to remind EVERYONE

Steroids help gain muscle, but there are also types that help a person recovery from an injury sooner..

My point of showing the pictures of A-Rod is that you cant tell a difference, but he still tested +

Who recalls Fernando Vena? He admitted to taking them but we all know he isnt the hulk..

Not say they were right in doing them, just trying to show not all wanted to bulk up