DakotaT
8 years ago

Its not splitting hairs.

If a player busts out of the NFL its because they didn't have the talent to play in it, and the GM who drafted him screwed up.

If a player suffers a major injury and is forced to retire it wasn't due to a lack of talent and unless the report on said player was that he likely was going to suffer a major injury, said GM should receive zero fault.

The world isn't as black and white as you'd like to portray it. For example if we're going by your harsh pass/fail analysis how would you classify players who've passed away prematurely? Guys like Joe Delaney or Len Bias who would have been mega-stars but died too soon, are they busts? GMs screw that one up too?

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



No, it is splitting hairs. Let's just compare Harrell and Jones. Harrell was drafted injured, Jones was not. Jones has yet to make it a full season, and neither did Harrell. In the minds of most Packer fans, Harrell was a bust, but now we're asked to make an exception for Jones? Complete bullshit. They are both busts because they could not stay on the field and perform at the level their draft status dictates.

I hope Jones isn't hurt badly and can return, but also don't like seeing players with neck injuries try and push. There isn't too much worse than watching a player paralyzed and carted off the field.


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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
Datone Jones has played in 44 of 48 regular season games. He played in every game in 2013 and played in all 15 games he was eligible to play in 2015. It just seems if a player doesn't go all J.J. Watt on the NFL they are deemed a bust by fans who just have unrealistic expectations. Keep in mind, he was drafted 26th overall, not 6th overall folks, lol.

Besides, haven't we all just accepted that Ted Thompson and 1st round picks are just not worth getting riled up over? I know I've pleaded for them to just trade the 1st round pick for an additional 2nd and 3rd for a few seasons now lol

At least the injury news on Datone is encouraging in that the coach says he was hopping all over the place. Hopefully he wasn't hopping around in pain!!
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Its not splitting hairs.

If a player busts out of the NFL its because they didn't have the talent to play in it, and the GM who drafted him screwed up.

If a player suffers a major injury and is forced to retire it wasn't due to a lack of talent and unless the report on said player was that he likely was going to suffer a major injury, said GM should receive zero fault.

The world isn't as black and white as you'd like to portray it. For example if we're going by your harsh pass/fail analysis how would you classify players who've passed away prematurely? Guys like Joe Delaney or Len Bias who would have been mega-stars but died too soon, are they busts? GMs screw that one up too?

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



It's not as if our training staff has a stellar track record of keeping guys healthy.
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DarkaneRules
8 years ago
Datone Jones is having a coming out party. Will he be re-signed? No clue, but he ain't a bust. If he was a top 10 pick, maybe we entertain that thought.
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musccy
8 years ago

No, it is splitting hairs. Let's just compare Harrell and Jones. Harrell was drafted injured, Jones was not. Jones has yet to make it a full season, and neither did Harrell. In the minds of most Packer fans, Harrell was a bust, but now we're asked to make an exception for Jones? Complete bullshit. They are both busts because they could not stay on the field and perform at the level their draft status dictates.

I hope Jones isn't hurt badly and can return, but also don't like seeing players with neck injuries try and push. There isn't too much worse than watching a player paralyzed and carted off the field.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



It's not splitting hairs if you're an owner evaluating job performance of your GM.
voiceofreason
8 years ago
I get the reasoning behind lumping all players as busts regardless of injury, but we are talking about human beings. This is a KID with a neck injury he got by busting his ass for the Packers. Many athletes consider being labeled a bust the ultimate disrespect. I refuse to apply that label lightly. I certainly don't consider Terrence Murphy a bust because he suffered a freak career ending neck injury on a hustle play.
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macbob
8 years ago

No, it is splitting hairs. Let's just compare Harrell and Jones. Harrell was drafted injured, Jones was not.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



And that IS the difference. Harrell was damaged goods before he was selected. Jones was not, and played 3 years for GB before suffering this neck injury.

You may lump them into the same category, but I won't.
Cheesey
8 years ago
Harrell WAS a bust. Even when he was on the field, he was not good. Jones is a good player. To label him a bust is lazy. There is no actual thought put into how the player named actually performed on the field.
I guess by that line of thought Gale Sayers was a bust for the Bears. He never was able to be his best because of injury. The same would go for Bo Jackson.
See just how lame that is?
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Harrell WAS a bust. Even when he was on the field, he was not good. Jones is a good player. To label him a bust is lazy. There is no actual thought put into how the player named actually performed on the field.
I guess by that line of thought Gale Sayers was a bust for the Bears. He never was able to be his best because of injury. The same would go for Bo Jackson.
See just how lame that is?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Harrell, like Sherrod was coming on when he broke his leg. He broke it ugly, and btw he was playing ST when he did so.
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DakotaT
8 years ago

It's not splitting hairs if you're an owner evaluating job performance of your GM.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I am an owner. 😝
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