musccy
9 years ago



If you were a star free agent, would you rather go to Green Bay, or to a team like Washington or Dallas, where you could not only get your $10mil/year but then the owner can hook you up with a phat advertising contract on the side and you could be in a larger market (not to mention an area with a night life for black players?)

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



DING DING DING!

A lot of what I've read doesn't consider who is available, what they'd cost, or most importantly if they'd even want to come to GB! I love WI and GB, but lets be honest, it's freezing for 5 months, a tiny town, and the most exciting thing to do is to leave (Door County, Appleton, Milwaukee) or motor troll for muskies and walleye. That doesn't attract the Field of Dreams convoy of free agents.

You have to pay a lot to get them here, or you have to find the right scenario (Woody and Peppers).

Additionally, Yerko and others raised the point - WHO DO YOU SIGN? Anyone can say "just spend $" but on who? What "Andre Rison" was sitting out there?





Zero2Cool
9 years ago

For one reason or another NE is a counter-example to any explanation we want to find for our team status.

- We never draft very high neither do they
- We have Rodgers so we can't waste in FAs, they have Brady and are very active in FA
- We claim our best WR got injured, they play with 2nd/3rd tier WRs and have no problem

Originally Posted by: luigis 



The Patriots and Packers are different mainly in coaching/developing.

Patriots have a helluva coaching tree whereas the Packers are more smoke and mirrors or blind faith. You ever hear Bill Belichick say they lost 3 games and were beat only by 1 when explaining 4 losses? No chance. Personally, I enjoy the uninformed football fans who just simply cry "cheaters" in regard to the Patriots. It shows just how little they know and easily they are persuaded with their lack of mental fortitude.

Seahawks push the envelope and aren't shy about it. "Seahawks engage in blatant pass interference on a regular basis, accepting that a penalty will be called from time to time but realizing that the officials won’t call it every time."

The Packers do not push the envelop nor do they do a great job of coaching up their players as a staff. Joe Whitt Jr does well, Edgar Bennett did well with the receivers and Joe Philbin did well with Aaron Rodgers. The bigger issue though is Packers are slow to make changes, especially if there is a tight friendship involved.


Oh, something else to add. Regarding the Patriots playing with 2nd/3rd tier WR's with no problem, do you know that guy Rob Gronkowski? Yeah, he makes a huge difference, just like Jermichael Finley did for the Packers. Finley's loss was far more crippling to the Packers offense than just his production.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

DING DING DING!

A lot of what I've read doesn't consider who is available, what they'd cost, or most importantly if they'd even want to come to GB! I love WI and GB, but lets be honest, it's freezing for 5 months, a tiny town, and the most exciting thing to do is to leave (Door County, Appleton, Milwaukee) or motor troll for muskies and walleye. That doesn't attract the Field of Dreams convoy of free agents.

You have to pay a lot to get them here, or you have to find the right scenario (Woody and Peppers).

Additionally, Yerko and others raised the point - WHO DO YOU SIGN? Anyone can say "just spend $" but on who? What "Andre Rison" was sitting out there?





Originally Posted by: musccy 



If we wait until the available FA are signed than there won't be any prime options available. There is also a counter point to who wants to come to GB especially with WR. They can get close to the same money, and have one of the best QB in the league throwing to them. That should be a pretty good selling feature.

Look at the Badgers. Why did RBs come to the Badgers? Because they knew they would have a huge line in front of them and the team would run the ball.
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Porforis
9 years ago

If we wait until the available FA are signed than there won't be any prime options available. There is also a counter point to who wants to come to GB especially with WR. They can get close to the same money, and have one of the best QB in the league throwing to them. That should be a pretty good selling feature.

Look at the Badgers. Why did RBs come to the Badgers? Because they knew they would have a huge line in front of them and the team would run the ball.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



On the flip side, prior to this season's collapse a WR coming in would need to compete for snaps and stats with Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. This isn't super attractive if they're going into an incentive-laden contract or otherwise don't want to get their thunder partially stolen by a bunch of other talent around them.
dhazer
9 years ago
Damn this wagon is getting awful crowded lol. I remember when it was only me and a very few that disliked Ted Thompson but now we have to get a bigger wagon lol.





Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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isocleas2
9 years ago

If we wait until the available FA are signed than there won't be any prime options available. There is also a counter point to who wants to come to GB especially with WR. They can get close to the same money, and have one of the best QB in the league throwing to them. That should be a pretty good selling feature.

Look at the Badgers. Why did RBs come to the Badgers? Because they knew they would have a huge line in front of them and the team would run the ball.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Madison for a college kid is amazing and really nothing compared to Green Bay. Also college players are not worried about advertising contracts like your NFL player is. Second, most college kids are single and don't have wives/children to convince into moving to the frozen tundra.

So while I like the analogy I don't think it holds enough water.
RichMcGeorge
9 years ago
Green Bay is undoubtedly one of the last places NFL players would choose to play.

In 1996, almost 20 years ago, the Packers won the Super Bowl.

That team included the following FREE AGENTS: QB Jim McMahon, WRs Don Beebe, Andre Rison, and Desmond Howard, OLineman Bruce Wilkerson, Jeff Dellenbach, DLineman Reggie White, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, LB Ron Cox, and DBs Eugene Robinson & Mike Pryor.

Ron Wolf also traded for TE Keith Jackson and QB Brett Favre.

Serious question for those who insist the Packers can't sign veteran free agents due to their location, do you really believe that Green Bay has deteriorated since 1996 to the point that free agents will no longer play in the Frozen Tundra?

Or, could it be that TT's philosophy for building a roster does not include adding veteran players from other teams unless there is absolutely no other viable option?

I think the fact Ted Thompson has not made a trade for a NFL player in nearly 9 seasons (and trades do not require the player's consent) is pretty strong circumstantial evidence as to TT's approach to building the roster.
Porforis
9 years ago
Never trading for cards unless I'm ahead and clearly getting the better part of the bargain from someone desperate serves me well in settlers of catan, for what that's worth.
musccy
9 years ago

If we wait until the available FA are signed than there won't be any prime options available. There is also a counter point to who wants to come to GB especially with WR. They can get close to the same money, and have one of the best QB in the league throwing to them. That should be a pretty good selling feature.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



We neither are nor should pay big money for a FA WR. We are already well north of 20 million for that position as is. Yes, help is needed but we've made the bed we're predominantly lying in with Cobb and Jordy for the next 2-3 years. That's not to say we couldn't pick up a bargain FA or draft more.
nerdmann
9 years ago

Green Bay is undoubtedly one of the last places NFL players would choose to play.

In 1996, almost 20 years ago, the Packers won the Super Bowl.

That team included the following FREE AGENTS: QB Jim McMahon, WRs Don Beebe, Andre Rison, and Desmond Howard, OLineman Bruce Wilkerson, Jeff Dellenbach, DLineman Reggie White, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, LB Ron Cox, and DBs Eugene Robinson & Mike Pryor.

Ron Wolf also traded for TE Keith Jackson and QB Brett Favre.

Serious question for those who insist the Packers can't sign veteran free agents due to their location, do you really believe that Green Bay has deteriorated since 1996 to the point that free agents will no longer play in the Frozen Tundra?

Or, could it be that TT's philosophy for building a roster does not include adding veteran players from other teams unless there is absolutely no other viable option?

I think the fact Ted Thompson has not made a trade for a NFL player in nearly 9 seasons (and trades do not require the player's consent) is pretty strong circumstantial evidence as to TT's approach to building the roster.

Originally Posted by: RichMcGeorge 



Salary cap is different now than in the Reggie White days.

Green Bay is attractive for UDFA, but not the hyped up top tier dudes, generally speaking.
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