And just why do you guys think that 3rd and 1 trouble is? - You who deny how shitty our O Line is, I mean? The only way we can ever run anything is some kind of trickery or misdirection - that or the RB bouncing somewhere away from the big stack up where the play is called. To just man up and push 'em back in an obvious run situation like 3rd and 1? It just ain't happening with this O Line. And of course, they aren't capable of decent pass blocking either.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

How often do the Packers run up the gut on 3rd and 1?
Do they use I-formation or single back or is it out of the shotgun with a draw?
Wait, do they even run or do they throw it deep?

I'm willing to bet if we analyzed each 3rd and 1 we would see a good percentage of conversions made when the quarterback is under center and formation is single back or I-formation with running between the Tackles.

When you're quarterback is in the pistol or shotgun, the running back loses nearly half a second if vision. That's not good when split second decisions are determining a successful one yard conversion.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I would say the obvious reason they do it that way is because there is simply no hope have our line outmuscle anybody. It pisses me off too when we finesse other teams like that, but so so so many times, the D just stacks up everything or comes roaring through like we have no O Line at all.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

While we're on the topic, can I suggest we eliminate that deep pitch from the pistol? We rarely have the blocking/back combination to really hit that play. I think I can count a handful of plays over 10 yards where that call has worked.

Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 

You quoted me and didn't read what I said. Wonderful. I'll play along, I guess. I can't answer that the Packers feel they can't out muscle defensive line's because I don't have the analysis on what they've done under the formations I mentioned with the down and distance I mentioned. If they attempted 20 times and converted just three times, I would concur the OL is weak sauce. I would bet though that the conversion percentage is helluva lot higher when they try converting 3rd and 1 from under center vs the shotgun/pistol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Oh I read what you wrote. You just had it backwards - the chicken and egg thing. It's not so much that the team doesn't often succeed on 3rd and 1 because they use pistol or shotgun or whatever; It's that they go from shotgun or pistol because they know damn well it would be futile to line up and run it up the gut even with the QB under center. If there is no hole anyway - the O Line just gets stacked up and pushed back, then getting there that half second or whatever quicker wouldn't make a helluva lot of difference. And THAT is what we see just about all the time with this O Line.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Can we run a fucking quarterback sneak once? Just once. That's all I ask.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

Can we run a fucking quarterback sneak once? Just once. That's all I ask.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 

qb sneak, you pussies

That't just horrible play calling, even if they were lucky enough to get the td

While we're on the topic, can I suggest we eliminate that deep pitch from the pistol? We rarely have the blocking/back combination to really hit that play. I think I can count a handful of plays over 10 yards where that call has worked.

Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88