Zero2Cool
  • Zero2Cool
  • 100% (Exalted)
  • Elite Member Topic Starter
9 years ago
I kept track of dropped passes and missed tackles.

[list=1]
  • James Starks
  • James Jones
  • Davante Adams
  • James Starks[/list]

  • I was so disgusted with the team I didn't track tackles in second half. Quinten Rollins was the only one I have logged from first half.
    UserPostedImage
    nerdmann
    • nerdmann
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Premier Member
    9 years ago

    I kept track of dropped passes and missed tackles.

    [list=1]

  • James Starks
  • James Jones
  • Davante Adams
  • James Starks[/list]

  • I was so disgusted with the team I didn't track tackles in second half. Quinten Rollins was the only one I have logged from first half.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Even in their heydays these guys were dropping passes. Driver, Jennings, Jones. Davante had one bad drop today. Cobb looked ok. I don't recall the one by JJ. That INT was over his head.

    Thought they pulled Crockett a little soon.
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
    mi_keys
    • mi_keys
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Senior Member
    9 years ago

    Even in their heydays these guys were dropping passes. Driver, Jennings, Jones. Davante had one bad drop today. Cobb looked ok. I don't recall the one by JJ. That INT was over his head.

    Thought they pulled Crockett a little soon.

    Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



    Jones got both hands on the ball on the pick. Bad throw, especially considering Jones was wide open and stationary. But absolutely a catchable ball and a drop.
    Born and bred a cheesehead
    PackerTraxx
    9 years ago
    On the interception, it was a bad throw and JJ should have caught it. It went right through his hands. Most kids in the back yard could make that catch.
    Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
    PackFanWithTwins
    9 years ago
    Love that when a WR gives it his all to even get his hands on the ball they get credited with a drop. That ball was behind and high. Terrible throw.

    If JJ was a stat whore he would have missed it completely to make his numbers look better. But only QBs can get away with padding stats.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
    sschind
    • sschind
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Senior Member
    9 years ago
    I disagree on the interception. Yes it was a pass he should have caught but I wouldn't call it a drop. It was not a well thrown ball and that certainly contributed to the fact he did not catch it. I can't put that all on the receiver. If that is counted as a drop in the "official" stats then the dropped pass stats would be much higher for every WR in the league. I've seen many WRs not catch that one. I've seen many catch it as well.
    Zero2Cool
    • Zero2Cool
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Elite Member Topic Starter
    9 years ago
    Certainly, it was not a good pass by Aaron Rodgers. Equally certain, James Jones should have caught it.

    It counts as an interception for Aaron Rodgers and drop for James Jones.

    Rodgers put the ball in an area that Jones could catch it even if he had to jump for it.


    Edit, I wanted to see if maybe Rodgers threw the ball where he did because the middle of the field was occupied. It was not. There was no one there and I was able to grab this screen shot of the ball going right through James Jones hands.

     2015jonesdrop.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
    UserPostedImage
    PackFanWithTwins
    9 years ago


    I would really like to see the full 22 of this play because I wonder if Rodgers saw a defensive back closing in and that's why he threw it in that spot?

    Receivers do not enjoy being lead over the middle of the field because it's usually a good spot to get drilled. Something to think about.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    You can see on NFL.com video of the INT. The show an angle from Behind the offense. Jones had settled into an void in the middle, he was standing still. Nobody in front of him, and probably 10 yards on either side. Rodgers only needed to throw the ball to him.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
    nerdmann
    • nerdmann
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Premier Member
    9 years ago

    Certainly, it was not a good pass by Aaron Rodgers. Equally certain, James Jones should have caught it.

    It counts as an interception for Aaron Rodgers and drop for James Jones.

    Rodgers put the ball in an area that Jones could catch it even if he had to jump for it.


     2015jonesdrop.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Seemed me by the time he was able to get up for it, it was already halfway through his hands.
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
    nerdmann
    • nerdmann
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Premier Member
    9 years ago

    You can see on NFL.com video of the INT. The show an angle from Behind the offense. Jones had settled into an void in the middle, he was standing still. Nobody in front of him, and probably 10 yards on either side. Rodgers only needed to throw the ball to him.

    Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



    Some think AR12 can do no wrong.
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
    Porforis
    • Porforis
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Veteran Member
    9 years ago

    Some think AR12 can do no wrong.

    Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



    Some think AR12 can do no right.
    Zero2Cool
    • Zero2Cool
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Elite Member Topic Starter
    9 years ago

    Some think AR12 can do no right.

    Originally Posted by: Porforis 



    And some think Aaron is human and shouldn't be held to such high expectations (aka demands) and understand he can be a great quarterback even if he's not 100% perfect every snap of every game.

    Regarding the topic, if we want to say there were only three drops, I wouldn't object a whole lot to that. But for me, if you can get both your hands on a pass, and you do not catch it, that is absolutely a drop.

    Starks drops were a bit more bothersome because it's such a short pass and if he would catch THEN run, I think he'd do a bit better. That said, he has been a helluva spark on the screen play so I suppose that's being nitpicky.
    UserPostedImage
    sschind
    • sschind
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Senior Member
    9 years ago

    Certainly, it was not a good pass by Aaron Rodgers. Equally certain, James Jones should have caught it.

    It counts as an interception for Aaron Rodgers and drop for James Jones.

    Rodgers put the ball in an area that Jones could catch it even if he had to jump for it.


    Edit, I wanted to see if maybe Rodgers threw the ball where he did because the middle of the field was occupied. It was not. There was no one there and I was able to grab this screen shot of the ball going right through James Jones hands.

     2015jonesdrop.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Going right through his hands as he is fully extended because the pass was thrown to high. I do agree he should have caught it but IMO the fact that it was a poorly thrown ball helped make it so he didn't. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Your comment about passes like that or even worse counting against the QB as an interception is a valid one however and when one takes that into consideration I suppose its only fair to take the other into consideration as well.

    sschind
    • sschind
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Senior Member
    9 years ago


    Regarding the topic, if we want to say there were only three drops, I wouldn't object a whole lot to that. But for me, if you can get both your hands on a pass, and you do not catch it, that is absolutely a drop.

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    I think you would have a lot more drops in your ledger if that is the case.

    Zero2Cool
    • Zero2Cool
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Elite Member Topic Starter
    9 years ago

    Going right through his hands as he is fully extended because the pass was thrown to high. I do agree he should have caught it but IMO the fact that it was a poorly thrown ball helped make it so he didn't. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Your comment about passes like that or even worse counting against the QB as an interception is a valid one however and when one takes that into consideration I suppose its only fair to take the other into consideration as well.

    Originally Posted by: sschind 



    What if he were to have caught that poorly thrown ball? Would you count it as a reception? You want it both ways it seems. Give him credit for making a difficult catch, but not give him blame for getting both hands on the ball and failing to make the catch? I could be interpreting what you're saying incorrectly, sorry if that's the case.

    No doubt, if the ball would have glanced off the top of his fingertips, I would not count it as a drop, but it went right through his hands. I mean, I just don't ... I just am flabbergasted how Jones can be removed from fault here. Again, not saying he's 100% at fault because he's not. Aaron should have lead him (as I wrote about numerous times btw) instead of throwing it high.


    You remember Jordy Nelson missing a catch that was intercepted? I would credit Jordy for the interception AND drop because it was a good throw and hit him in the hands. Conversely, I would credit Aaron with the interception due to it not being a good throw and Jones would get the drop because he (regardless of effort) got both hands well in position to make the catch.


    BTW, it's nice to have a decent debate about the game in which the Packers WON, lol.
    UserPostedImage
    PackFanWithTwins
    9 years ago
    A drop should be a ball that is thrown where it is supposed to be that the WR misses/drops. Sometimes there are balls that the WR uses all his ability just to get hands on it, not catching those should not be negative. I also don't think all INT are the QBs fault. Rodgers has had many where the ball was on target and the WR missed and caused the INT.

    In this case, the INT was more Rodgers bad throw than Jones.
    The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
    nerdmann
    • nerdmann
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Premier Member
    9 years ago

    A drop should be a ball that is thrown where it is supposed to be that the WR misses/drops. Sometimes there are balls that the WR uses all his ability just to get hands on it, not catching those should not be negative. I also don't think all INT are the QBs fault. Rodgers has had many where the ball was on target and the WR missed and caused the INT.

    In this case, the INT was more Rodgers bad throw than Jones.

    Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



    There was that INT against San Diego that I don't put in Aaron.
    “Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
    greengold
    9 years ago

    A drop should be a ball that is thrown where it is supposed to be that the WR misses/drops. Sometimes there are balls that the WR uses all his ability just to get hands on it, not catching those should not be negative. I also don't think all INT are the QBs fault. Rodgers has had many where the ball was on target and the WR missed and caused the INT.

    In this case, the INT was more Rodgers bad throw than Jones.

    Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



    Just like a ball the shortstop gets his glove on might be an error or a base hit. It's a judgement call based on difficulty of making the catch.

    Zero2Cool
    • Zero2Cool
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Elite Member Topic Starter
    9 years ago
    Semantics here. If the receiver gets both hands on the ball, it's not a bad throw. It's just not a good throw. Headache anyone lol
    UserPostedImage
    sschind
    • sschind
    • 100% (Exalted)
    • Senior Member
    9 years ago

    Semantics here. If the receiver gets both hands on the ball, it's not a bad throw. It's just not a good throw. Headache anyone lol

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



    Yeah just a minor disagreement and I thought he headache was from my quitting caffeine.

    Fan Shout
    beast (2h) : Packershome going to the Whiteout unis again
    Zero2Cool (7h) : Oh wait, they got Cam Ward. 1st overall right? haha oops
    Zero2Cool (8h) : They could send Packers a 1st for a QB they are familiar with
    Zero2Cool (8h) : Titans QB Will Levis to have season-ending shoulder surgery
    Zero2Cool (19-Jul) : Their season did kind of start there, so 🤷
    dfosterf (19-Jul) : Eagles put an engraved Brazil flag on their super bowl rings
    Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Benton unsigned no more
    Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : That's good analysis, yes you are getting old. It'd a blessing!
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason
    dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast
    packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
    Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
    Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
    Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
    Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
    Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
    Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
    dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
    Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
    dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
    Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
    Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
    Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
    Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
    dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
    dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
    wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
    Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
    Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
    Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
    Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
    Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
    beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
    Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    49m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    18-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    15-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    14-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

    6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

    1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.