beast
  • beast
  • Select Member Topic Starter
9 years ago
I thought this was an interesting debate over the different positions that the Packers could use more help at and fits in to what a number of us have talked about and might be perfect for a bye week.

Coordinator Dom Capers’ scheme is built around the two-way, rush-cover skills of his outside backers, though the ability that matters most is getting after the quarterback.

And considering the age and contract status of several key members of the Packers’ outside linebacker corps, that position group has to be general manager Ted Thompson’s greatest need when looking ahead to next year’s draft.

~Probably next on the list is tight end.
~Though inside linebackers have become devalued with spread passing games, Matthews and the other upper-tier players at that position show they still can make a big difference.
~Receiver could move up the priority board as well, depending on Jordy Nelson’s recovery from knee-reconstruction surgery and the performance of young receivers Ty Montgomery, Jeff Janis and Jared Abbrederis over the next three months.
~And the defensive line almost always needs replenishing.
~On the offensive line, guard and tackle are on the radar even if the starters are set for at least another year.
~Running back also could move up the list with James Starks becoming a free agent in March and Eddie Lacy having ankle problems this season.

Pete Dougherty  wrote:



So Neal, Perry, Daniels, Raji, Guion and Datone are all FAs at the end of this year? WOW Packers are going to need some defensive front help... unless they're able to resign almost all of these guys, at least more depth.

Based on the contracts (assuming we're not going to be able to resign all of them)... DL, OLB, OT and TE are where I think their needs to more help.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
9 years ago
Ted will extend most of those Dlinemen. I'd look at TE, OLB, LT.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
yooperfan
9 years ago

Ted will extend most of those Dlinemen. I'd look at TE, OLB, LT.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I would also include RT to the wish list.

PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
So in reading it appears, everything except QB and DB, kicker and long snapper.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
isocleas2
9 years ago
Assuming Jordy is fine, I think the Packers feel really good #1-4. Also if Janis or Abbrederis show anything I would be surprised if the Packers draft anyone before the 7th round.

I'm assuming Starks prices himself out of what the Packers want to spend at his age and they draft a 4th-7th rounder to replace him, but if they can agree on a 2-3 year deal then RB is probably good for awhile.

I'm not sure on the contract details of the starting O-line but I think the Packers like the backups at guard-center, so unless they're already planning on a replacement for Lang/Sitton (doubtful) they probably are only targetting a Tackle. Also with Bulaga just getting a new deal and Bakhtiari up for a new contract I think the Packers are only going to take later round projects here as well. Unless they don't think Bakhtiari is worth the big 2nd contract starting left tackles usually command

I see the Packers focusing on TE, D-line, and linebacker in the draft.



nerdmann
9 years ago

So in reading it appears, everything except QB and DB, kicker and long snapper.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Tolzien will be gone, Hundley should step up, but we'll need a #3.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago
It is strange how much of the DL is up. I understand most of these guys are on a "prove it" type deal, but you certainly don't want to be replacing all of them. The good thing is the Packers have shown loyalty to Raji and Guion through their down periods and I would hope this will lead these guys to want to re-sign with us.

Looking at the draft, I think Ted will select what is best on his board where there may be a need. I can see Hayward and Richardson possibly being gone next year so I can see us again thinking DB early.

I do think that we should look at Tackle, but will one be available at 32?

TE and OLB should also get a look if the talent is there at the drafting position. I am not as high on RR as many. He doesn't seem to bring down the tough catch and it disappoints me as I think the TE should be a hands-guy more than the WRs. I think with OLB Perry has been a medical nightmare for most of his career and CMIII is being used more effectively switching between out and middle to me we need secure somebody for the long haul on the outside.

If Starks goes, I would still like to see us draft a small speed back with hands. I was hoping that was going to be Franklin. I love the screen game and a wish we would use it more to keep the defense guessing and to chew up the clock. It would make sense to draft a RB anyway with Lacy's contract coming up.

Teams don't typically do much negotiating during the season, but it would be nice to get a few of our guys signed early that we hope to keep around. We have a decent amount of cap space that could be used to front-load and create space for when other big contracts become due down the road.
texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
The season's almost half over hahahaha - it's about time we start discussing this.

I see us re-signing Daniels and maybe Neal if he is cheap enough. All the rest of those D Linemen are easily replaceable with low round picks or UDFAs, and we already are loaded at OLB.

Clearly we don't need help at WR.

As was said, we might need a #3 QB, but that is easy with UDFAs - bring in 2 or 3 and pick the best. Maybe even sign Tebow (hahahaha said in jest, but not really)

We have more DBs than we know what to do with now, and we shouldn't lose any of them.

Specialists? We are strong there, and even if we weren't, it doesn't call for a draft pick.

So what's left?

Has anybody mentioned ILB? If we could get a real stud there, I'd use a first or second rounder, but that position doesn't seem to correlate well between college stardom and pro success. Palmer and Barrington are maybe adequate, but it would be nice to have somebody the equal of Matthews there.

O Line? We really don't seem to have success with high draft picks there - most teams don't seem to. I guess that is another position where college stardom doesn't necessarily translate. I'd go for a mid-rounder or two though, hopefully aiming more for strength than mobility.

TE? I've changed my tune about Richard Rodgers - I like him now; I always liked Quarless - if he ain't damaged. Backman looked damn good to me; This is another position where it is just too easy to find somebody decent as a UDFA or whatever.

Running Back? Adequacy is easy to find - we had 3 of those as UDFAs this year and cut 2. I tend to think Starks is NOT gonna be too expensive because he is a little older - and of course, because teams are realizing more and more it's not a good idea to invest long term in a RB. I'm on record as saying DON'T re-sign Lacy for big money - I'm unclear whether his contract is up after this season or after next, or if there is a team option or what. IMO, I'd go for a RB in the first or second round, provided a great one is there. I wanted Melvin Gordon so bad; For this year, I want that type RB - NOT a Lacy clone but a SPEED BACK.

So in order, Speed RB, Stud ILB, Quality O Lineman - hopefully big and brutal, that's about it. We don't have any great needs. I'd like to see (although doubtful Ted would do it) some packaging of picks and moving up to get better quality - if we can be fairly sure somebody is worth it.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
Barfarn
9 years ago

The season's almost half over hahahaha - it's about time we start discussing this.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 


Ted Thompson will draft BPA. Most likely, when it's our turn, they'll be several guys of different positions all in the same talent tier, then the BPA becomes the guy who sits at our greatest position of need. Our positions of need will be determined by who we resign. The FAs are:

UFA (In order of importance-Guion and Neal move down the list if Raji and Perry are signed)
Daniels
Crosby
Goode
Raji
Guion
Perry
Neal
Hayward (Luxury, if cheap enough, he's gonna get a big offer)
Starks (Luxury-if cheap enough, we should get him for close to min contract)
Quarles
Barclay
Tolzein
Kuhn
J.Jones

RFA
Banjo
Mulumba
Taylor

ERFA:
Abby
Perrillo

We have 39 guys under contract for 2016 for 123,615,980.
D.Jones, Pennell, Boyd
Peppers, Palmer, Barrington, CM3, Elliot, Ryan, Thomas, Rasco
Shields, Dix, Burnett, Randall, Rollins, Hyde, Goodson, Gunter

Baktieri, Sitton, Linsley, Lang, Bulaga, Walker, Tretter
R.Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Lacy, A.Rodgers Backman, Monty, Janis, Harris, Hundley

Mastay

At the moment we are set to carry over 12M, leaving the 2016 cap salaries at 112M. If the cap goes up to a conservative 150M, we'll have 38M to spend; if to 160 as some are predicting; we'll have 48M to spend in 2016.

If we tag Daniels at about 12M; sign Banjo, Ringo, Abby, Crockett, Henry, Perillo, Vukjonivich and Rotheram for about 4.3; our rookie class for another 3.7M our 53 will be covered for 132M. Leave 7M for 2017. Then 11-21M in cap space is there for the rest of the FAs and a bunch more if Daniels is signed [Note: for every other FA signed about a .5M salary can be deducted].
luigis
9 years ago
CB, Safety, CB, CB, CB

I hope to be wrong.
Luis
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (6m) : I'm not sure I hope for that. I'll be at the game.
Martha Careful (14h) : I hope it is colder than a well-diggers ass on Thanksgiving night.
Zero2Cool (22h) : doubt he wants to face the speedsters
beast (22h) : Dolphins offense can be explosive... I wonder if we'll have Alexander back
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : No Doubs could be issue Thursday
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : Bears. Santos. Blocked FG
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Bears. Vikings. OT
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Thems the breaks I guess
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Two players out and Williams had an injury designation this week but Oladapo is a healthy scratch
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Packers inactives vs 49ers: • CB Jaire Alexander • S Kitan Oladapo • LB Edgerrin Cooper • OL Jacob Monk
TheKanataThrilla (24-Nov) : Aaron Jones with a costly red zone fumble
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : When we trade Malik for a 1st rounder, we'll need a new QB2.
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets
beast (23-Nov) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.