Zero2Cool
9 years ago
Don Barclay did not play well and the ProFootballFocus.com grade supports that eye test as well. I don't know OL all that much, but when a dude is getting twisted and turned all day, that cannot be good.

71 offensive snaps for this fella.

Overall: -10.7
Pass Block: -5.9
Run Block: -4.7




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TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago
Then announcers had me baffled most of the night going on about how great our OL was. Our Inside is good. On the ends we are average to slightly below average with BB out. It is only not noticable because Aaron has his mobility back and made quite a few amazing feel reads where he stepped up and avoided the sack.
texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
I've been one of the consistent detractors of our O Line, but they were more than decent last night, more so in run blocking than pass blocking. And Barclay, against all odds, came through way more than I thought he would. Yeah, Collingsworth etc. spread it on pretty thick about how good they were in general, but not only did they keep Aaron Rodgers in one piece (thanks in large part to his mobility and the short drop and quick step up move), but they also made James Starks look a lot like Melvin Gordon.

Seattle is a damn good team - right there with the Packers as the best in the NFL, and they didn't give away anything until the very end. Our maligned O Line, D, and back up RB came through, and our Super QB, our quality receivers, played up to expectations.
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yooperfan
9 years ago

Our maligned O Line, D, and back up RB came through

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 


Now if you could say something nice about Raji.........🤣

texaspackerbacker
9 years ago

Now if you could say something nice about Raji.........🤣

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



hahahahaha I saved that for the Raji thread.


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musccy
9 years ago
I didn't focus on it, but it seemed a few times they'd slide James to Barclay's aid for pass protection help. I don't know how much of yesterday's serviceable performance was him alone, or with help.

With that said, it wasn't the trainwreck I was anticipating, so I suppose that's a nice back-handed compliment for Barclay, who I was very critical of this week.
nerdmann
9 years ago

I didn't focus on it, but it seemed a few times they'd slide James to Barclay's aid for pass protection help. I don't know how much of yesterday's serviceable performance was him alone, or with help.

With that said, it wasn't the trainwreck I was anticipating, so I suppose that's a nice back-handed compliment for Barclay, who I was very critical of this week.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Cliff Avril gives alot of guys a hard time. Hopefully Barclay will hold up for a while. Those interior guys were great.
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Barfarn
9 years ago

Don Barclay did not play well and the ProFootballFocus.com grade supports that eye test as well. I don't know OL all that much, but when a dude is getting twisted and turned all day, that cannot be good.

71 offensive snaps for this fella.

Overall: -10.7
Pass Block: -5.9
Run Block: -4.7

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I;m going to watch more closely; where does -5.9 fall in terms of being an average RT; that grade seems way too harsh.

I think Kanata and Tex summed up my observations exactly, that the Ts played "average to below average" or "decent."

And I think Musccy was right that Barclay got help, which might lower his grade. I saw Lang help some [which put the unbelievable Linsley man on a DT] and saw times when AR shifted a back over there, but alot of times they didn't chip like I expected them to.

But as Nerd said, Avril is damn good and Bennett took some snaps over there too.

So who was doing the PFF grading? Josh Walker's agent? if zero is average, -5.9 is stinky, right?

yes AR did run around alot, but I didn't see GB run many short routes/2-3 step drop passes, which make tackles look good. And I'm wondering if many of those supposedly chaotic scrambles were designed. There were several plays when it seemed AR didn't even look for a read, that he was just hanging in the pocket looking at the rush drawing in the DL, like flies to a bug zapper, then ZAP, he went outside to make a play. I also remember Barclay a couple times pushing his guy inside toward the QB, as if he they planned for AR to roll right.
DoddPower
9 years ago
Yeah, Barclay was still pretty bad, imo. Aaron Rodgers was the only reason Barclay looked serviceable. A healthy Rodgers is just that good. Sitton, Linsley, and Lang are as good as advertised, though. How nice is it that the Packers have a rock solid interior line? I hope Bulaga can come back soon!
9 years ago
As Josh Sitton said, Rodgers makes us look pretty good sometimes.


I think Barclay and Bahk played solid, not spectacualr but solid. They both got beat straight up twice that I remember seeing (both bull rushes if I remember correctly). But other than that, they did what they needed. They re-routed rushers outside while or superior interior (that rhymes hehehe) held the fort and gave Rodgers spaces to maneuver. I don't know that you could ask much more from them with the loss of Bulaga and our number 1 rusher.

My personal favorite play of the game was watching T.J. Lang plaster Michael Bennett when they shifted him inside. Overall the Oline really worked over what is one of the better Defensive fronts in the NFL.
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