DakotaT
9 years ago
When's the last time the Packers had a defensive lineman they "had" to hold on to? For the life of me, I can't remember. I like Daniels, been very happy with his production and the motor he plays with. He's a core player and the kind of teammate that is great for the locker room. That said, I don't break the bank for him. But then again, what we watched Thompson pay Hawk and Brad Jones was incredible. Nothing would surprise me.
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Bigbyfan
9 years ago
Typical negotiations... Player bids high, team bids low, they meet in the middle.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Typical negotiations... Player bids high, team bids low, they meet in the middle.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



What? paranerd said Ted don't negotiate! I picture paranerd banging his fist on a desk as he says/types that. 🤣


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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


DoddPower
9 years ago

What? paranerd said Ted don't negotiate! I picture paranerd banging his fist on a desk as he says/types that. 🤣

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I think Nerd meant Ted offers contracts like most of us house shop. He has a price set in his mind that a player his worth. He may offer a little less initially, but has a maximum number he can negotiate to. But he is very unlikely to go beyond the top price he has set for a player unless he gets super desperate and panics, which happens to most everyone from time to time.

But generally speaking, I do not think Ted Thompson comes off of the top price he sets for a player. That's just as he should do, imo. Smart management. If Ted and others are good at anything, it's managing the team from a business perspective. They do a great job, and I don't see that as debatable. There's exceptions to everything, but overall, the Packers have done an excellent job managing their contracts and salary cap.
packman82
9 years ago
At least if he doesn't resign we'll probably get at least a 4th round comp pick most likely a 3rd since thats what Jennings got us
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

At least if he doesn't resign we'll probably get at least a 4th round comp pick most likely a 3rd since thats what Jennings got us

Originally Posted by: packman82 



TT, is that you? 😂

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sschind
9 years ago

I think Nerd meant Ted offers contracts like most of us house shop. He has a price set in his mind that a player his worth. He may offer a little less initially, but has a maximum number he can negotiate to. But he is very unlikely to go beyond the top price he has set for a player unless he gets super desperate and panics, which happens to most everyone from time to time.

But generally speaking, I do not think Ted Thompson comes off of the top price he sets for a player. That's just as he should do, imo. Smart management. If Ted and others are good at anything, it's managing the team from a business perspective. They do a great job, and I don't see that as debatable. There's exceptions to everything, but overall, the Packers have done an excellent job managing their contracts and salary cap.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I do agree with the managing the cap part but how are we so sure that the other GMs don't do the same when it comes to setting their top prices. Miami's GM may have had a set price in mind for Suh and he was bound and determined not to go over it and who knows, maybe he didn't. We just think that because it was a ton of money and we wouldn't have done it (or that Ted didn't do it) that he panicked (you didn't say that but some have) It all depends on the value any particular GM puts on any particular player.

As far as what Daniels is asking for, most of ther time players don't get what they are asking for unless they are among the elite players. I don't think Daniels is elite. So he asks for 10 million and the Packers don't give it to him. that does not mean they are going to let him walk. If Ted deems him to be an integral part of the team as he did with Cobb and Bulaga he will be back.

If you recall, reports said Cobb wanted more than he got but other reports say he got more than what the Packers wanted to give initially. Its funny how when players get less than they wanted its because the GM that stuck to their guns and didn't cave but when the players get more than the team initially offered it was because the GM didn't make his maximum offer in the first place.
DoddPower
9 years ago

I do agree with the managing the cap part but how are we so sure that the other GMs don't do the same when it comes to setting their top prices. Miami's GM may have had a set price in mind for Suh and he was bound and determined not to go over it and who knows, maybe he didn't. We just think that because it was a ton of money and we wouldn't have done it (or that Ted didn't do it) that he panicked (you didn't say that but some have) It all depends on the value any particular GM puts on any particular player.

As far as what Daniels is asking for, most of ther time players don't get what they are asking for unless they are among the elite players. I don't think Daniels is elite. So he asks for 10 million and the Packers don't give it to him. that does not mean they are going to let him walk. If Ted deems him to be an integral part of the team as he did with Cobb and Bulaga he will be back.

If you recall, reports said Cobb wanted more than he got but other reports say he got more than what the Packers wanted to give initially. Its funny how when players get less than they wanted its because the GM that stuck to their guns and didn't cave but when the players get more than the team initially offered it was because the GM didn't make his maximum offer in the first place.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I didn't say anything about other general manages. I was just talking about Ted Thompson and the Packers. Their cap situation has been in great shape year-after-year. Many teams can't say that.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

I didn't say anything about other general manages. I was just talking about Ted Thompson and the Packers. Their cap situation has been in great shape year-after-year. Many teams can't say that.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



How many star players do other teams have vs. what we have. We have the ONE position you have to commit $ to in the QB position. Outside of that...who do we have that is a true star? Shouldn't be too hard to manage a cap if your only real star is your QB.

Clay looked to be a star but I'm not so sure about him anymore. He wasn't a break the bank kind of a deal for us. Again, you can manage a cap just fine when your roster is UDFA's and a bunch of first contract players and solid but not spectacular 2nd or 3rd contract guys.


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sschind
9 years ago

I didn't say anything about other general manages. I was just talking about Ted Thompson and the Packers. Their cap situation has been in great shape year-after-year. Many teams can't say that.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I know but others seem to think that Ted is something special in that regard.
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