Mucky Tundra
9 years ago
Nice to hear a guy like Ripkowski making ST plays. Need that kind of energy. Also agree with the article about Backman. He's probably not ready to make it this year given his background and the jump needed. But if he's on the PS, he'll be around for a roster call up for the season.
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Yeah I'm not buying much into this article... at least when it comes to UDFA hype and Abbrederis.

Crockett makes it because he's got better "pass catching ability" than Neal? Then why has Neal been getting chances on return duty? Because he's got some very good catching ability himself... Crockett and/or Harris very well might beat out Neal but I strongly doubt it's because of "catching ability" like the article suggest.

Rotheram too talented to cut? Since when?... How many OGs can one team keep? I think if healthy Sitton and Lang are locks and based on most reports I've read Taylor and Walker for the most part have been looking very good and clearly setting themselves apart in what might be one of the closest battles of camp as they try to claim the 3rd OG position. Wait... Rotheram is "A mauler at tackle but nimble enough to play guard" ... did he play OT? He was a RG in college and from reports I've read his strength was his run blocking and the reason they think he didn't get drafted was his pass blocking needs some work... now he's at OT in the pros?

Abbrederis over any healthy body right now is kind of questionable in it self.

He also cuts Backman, I'm not sure about that. If he can contribute on ST, he gets a legit shot. Seems like he can run routes and get open, he's just dropping balls.

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If anyone can contribute on ST they have a legit shot... see Jarrett Bush for more details.

Backman is very athletic which is why he got drafted (same with Janis)... but if he can't get it together enough to earn the 3rd TE spot than he may be going to the practice squad as the 2nd FB is probably going to take one of the 4 spots that normally go to the TEs.
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9 years ago
I see why the media has to write this article, but I think it is pointless. I'd wait until next week.
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9 years ago

I see why the media has to write this article, but I think it is pointless. I'd wait until next week.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



"Packerstalk" is as far from "media" as you can get.

The "article" or is it post or blog is laughable. The first blurb is on Crockett...whomever wrote this is completely clueless that Neal was a college WR and is incredibly natural in the passing game. Yet, Crockett is the "prohibitive" favorite because of what he can offer in the pass game? Couldn't laugh harder. The site says it's by the fans for the fans. It's no better and actually a lot worse than stuff you'll read from guys over here.

I'm embarrassed that these guys are linked or quoted for this site. Packerstalk is a fan site just like this. When are we going to start linking articles from Packerchatters or packerrats? My goodness.

Michael Rodney at least has some cred to him. Packerstalk is a joke.

Oh, I just had to go back for more and fell out when I read this:

RB RAJION NEAL #34

Neal’s experience gives him a lead in the third running back race, and he showed some burst against New England. The only problem is that he looks like the same player as James Starks, while guys like Crockett and Harris offer a little more of a variation for the offense. It’s more of a case of Crockett being a better fit as a receiving back than Neal, but hopefully the practice squad keeps him in Green Bay for another year and another shot.

===Dear Mike W. Please, for the love of...do some research on our players before writing Crockett is more natural in the pass game because he caught a TD pass. Cripes, if you watched the broadcast they even mentioned Neal's receiving prowess.

This is from Neal's Packers.com bio:

Served as a wide receiver, tailback and Wildcat quarterback as a sophomore in 2011, playing in 11 games with three starts at WR

---but, Crockett and Harris offer more "variation". Please, for the love of, do NOT get your info over there.
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9 years ago
Add to that there have been nothing but reports on neal out of camp about how great and smooth he looks as a receiver
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9 years ago
There are a LOT of unmentioned players who ought to be either last in or first out. The more relevant thing at this point are the camp battles and who comes out ahead - and it's pretty early to say about those. Also, there is of course, the IR factor.

RB: I'll go with Harris in, Neal and Crockett out. He seems to have more talent, and pass catching can be learned.

FB: I don't see us keeping both. I think they try to Practice Squad Ripkowski. If he gets claimed, well, it ain't that hard to find somebody else next year or whenever Kuhn is done. Or maybe Kuhn gets cut now.

WR: I think we keep 6. The top 5 are pretty clear. Abbrederis is the big question mark - nary a word about his condition since the concussion occurred. If he's healthy, I still see him as the 6th. If he is IRed, Pinkard would seem the better choice than White for the 6th spot.

TE: I can't see keeping more than 3, so the battle is between Backman and Perillo. Perillo is a backup long snapper, and he is more polished, but Backman has more upside, and Ted likes his draft picks. I think he is in and Perillo out.

D Line: This is complicated by the suspensions, which I think don't count toward the 53 while suspended (right?). Nothing was said in the article about Ringo - does that mean in? or out? Who knows. I don't think either Thornton or Gaston stays beyond the duration of the suspensions. Datone Jones played with the scrubs in the Pat game. Is his spot in jeopardy? I think we go light on D Linemen - maybe only 5 - in order to keep somebody like Banjo.

LB: What a mishmash. 15 or 16 of them, and we keep 9 or 10 or even 11? I would LIKE to see Hubbard and Vaughters among the last in; I would like to see overripe fruit like Neal and Perry gone. It probably won't happen that way, but again, who knows?

DB: There were several pretty decent DBs in that game who don't have much chance to stick. I think we keep 11 including Gunter, Goodson, and Banjo. I'd like to see Richardson gone, but that probably won't happen.
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9 years ago
If he's healthy, I don't think there is a chance in hell we cut Neal. He's got way too much upside to him.
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"Packerstalk" is as far from "media" as you can get.

The "article" or is it post or blog is laughable. The first blurb is on Crockett...whomever wrote this is completely clueless that Neal was a college WR and is incredibly natural in the passing game. Yet, Crockett is the "prohibitive" favorite because of what he can offer in the pass game? Couldn't laugh harder. The site says it's by the fans for the fans. It's no better and actually a lot worse than stuff you'll read from guys over here.

I'm embarrassed that these guys are linked or quoted for this site. Packerstalk is a fan site just like this. When are we going to start linking articles from Packerchatters or packerrats? My goodness.

Michael Rodney at least has some cred to him. Packerstalk is a joke.

Oh, I just had to go back for more and fell out when I read this:

RB RAJION NEAL #34

Neal’s experience gives him a lead in the third running back race, and he showed some burst against New England. The only problem is that he looks like the same player as James Starks, while guys like Crockett and Harris offer a little more of a variation for the offense. It’s more of a case of Crockett being a better fit as a receiving back than Neal, but hopefully the practice squad keeps him in Green Bay for another year and another shot.

===Dear Mike W. Please, for the love of...do some research on our players before writing Crockett is more natural in the pass game because he caught a TD pass. Cripes, if you watched the broadcast they even mentioned Neal's receiving prowess.

This is from Neal's Packers.com bio:

Served as a wide receiver, tailback and Wildcat quarterback as a sophomore in 2011, playing in 11 games with three starts at WR

---but, Crockett and Harris offer more "variation". Please, for the love of, do NOT get your info over there.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



The only person I put less stock in than Packers talk is Jersey Al. Well,if I remember correctly, there was another site but I think it was taken off the link list because of its complete idiocy.

Besides, shouldn't it be last five in last five out. I mean the first five out should be the easiest ones to cut right. You start out thinking who are we going to keep and who are we going to cut. Aaron Rodgers, keep (1st one in) Jermauria Rasco, cut (first one out)

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The only person I put less stock in than Packers talk is Jersey Al. Well,if I remember correctly, there was another site but I think it was taken off the link list because of its complete idiocy.

Besides, shouldn't it be last five in last five out. I mean the first five out should be the easiest ones to cut right. You start out thinking who are we going to keep and who are we going to cut. Aaron Rodgers, keep (1st one in) Jermauria Rasco, cut (first one out)

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Other than twitter, I never see Jersey Al...I remember sparring with him on something last offseason. Forget what it was but came away puzzled like I do here sometimes.

Those fan sites are fan sites for a reason...that is NOT where you go to get reliable info... I trust myself and Barfarn, steve, you, Z, etc. much more than these fan sites. There are some sharp people out there but sadly they don't run sites like Packerstalk.

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The only person I put less stock in than Packers talk is Jersey Al. Well,if I remember correctly, there was another site but I think it was taken off the link list because of its complete idiocy.

Besides, shouldn't it be last five in last five out. I mean the first five out should be the easiest ones to cut right. You start out thinking who are we going to keep and who are we going to cut. Aaron Rodgers, keep (1st one in) Jermauria Rasco, cut (first one out)

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Not everyone knows all the players and their agents personally like Uffda.
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Not everyone knows all the players and their agents personally like Uffda.

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For someone who has another person on ignore you sure like to bring that person up and egg him on a lot. If you aren't going to be able to read how he responds to your silly little jabs why even make them? Of course you know someone will reply to his comments and you will get to read them anyway so you can play all superior and indignant and claim "I have him on ignore"

I thought the purpose of ignoring someone was NOT to think about them.


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Other than twitter, I never see Jersey Al...I remember sparring with him on something last offseason. Forget what it was but came away puzzled like I do here sometimes.

Those fan sites are fan sites for a reason...that is NOT where you go to get reliable info... I trust myself and Barfarn, steve, you, Z, etc. much more than these fan sites. There are some sharp people out there but sadly they don't run sites like Packerstalk.

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I don't know if Al is posting less, I don't follow twitter, or if I am just getting better at spotting his stuff before I read it but I don't read much from him any more. The biggest problem I have when reading stuff on line is that I usually don't look at the author before I read the article so unless its a pretty clear statement (like the links on this site that say "Packerstalk says" etc.) I just jump right in reading.

I'd like to be able to say its because I want to keep an open mind and I don't want my opinion of the author to influence my opinion of the content but the truth is I'm usually just to lazy to seek it out so if it is not right there in front of me, more often than not, I miss it.

The same is true for forums such as this. Its easier to tell here because the avatars are hard to miss even if you are not looking for them but sometimes I'll get through post and if there are not certain obvious words used repeatedly or themes used repeatedly I have to go back and look at who wrote it. Sometimes, if I notice it's from a certain person on a certain topic I'll skip it because I figure its just a bunch of rehashed stuff (I'm sure many other feel the same way about some of my stuff) but usually, if its a topic that I have replied to or am interested in I'll eventually read it no matter who wrote it.
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I want to keep an open mind and I don't want my opinion of the author to influence my opinion of the content

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I usually see what company or site it's from and then read it... but seeing what site tells me if this is a beat reporter or just some fan writing... and I normally start reading with an open mind and don't really look at the author unless it's something extremely disagreeable to me, so I know to try to avoid that author in the future...
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I usually see what company or site it's from and then read it... but seeing what site tells me if this is a beat reporter or just some fan writing... and I normally start reading with an open mind and don't really look at the author unless it's something extremely disagreeable to me, so I know to try to avoid that author in the future...

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On the other hand, fans are less likely to lie or tow the company line than someone who has to kowtow or maintain a professional relationship with the team.

If I only wanted to know what beat reporters think, I wouldn't read forums such as this.
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On the other hand, fans are less likely to lie or tow the company line than someone who has to kowtow or maintain a professional relationship with the team.

If I only wanted to know what beat reporters think, I wouldn't read forums such as this.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



True but how often do Packers reporter "tow the company line"? They normally give what they see or what the coaches said and give their own opinion of it.

As for fans, it really depends on the person as some fans seem to know a ton and other fans it like, 'have you watched any games lately' or as that article the other day, just buying into the hype without confirming that the player should have the hype around them.
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9 years ago

True but how often do Packers reporter "tow the company line"? They normally give what they see or what the coaches said and give their own opinion of it.

As for fans, it really depends on the person as some fans seem to know a ton and other fans it like, 'have you watched any games lately' or as that article the other day, just buying into the hype without confirming that the player should have the hype around them.

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I can say without a doubt that teams can and do heavily influence what gets written or more aptly stated...what isn't. There are a lot of things these reporters have heard that they'll never report due to concern with how it will affect the team. Same goes for what players say. Ever notice JSO and Packersnews.com have very similar stories all the time?

There are some fans I really trust more than I do a beat guy. Michael Rodney is one guy I like...don't always agree with him, but I think he's sound. Bob McGinn is probably the single best Packer read for me of the media guys because he doesn't do the beat. He's not worried about having to get in a locker room and interview anyone. He gets his yearly sitdown with TT. He rips this team at times where you'll find nobody else in the mainstream Packers media who will.

Some guys here are worthy reads...I noted some of them earlier. There are some forums out there who have some bright guys. I don't visit other forums much anymore but I did the other day and found a poster I think a lot of is still active. If he did a blog, I would read it. There are some guys who I can't stand like some of you can't stand me...I enjoy reading those guys, too, because they are smart but they are counter to my thinking. Always interesting seeing how another bright mind looking through another lens sees the same thing I do.

With all the sincerity I can muster, I think it's wrong to post links from Packerstalk to this forum. Wrong in the sense it's embarrassing. That site is a joke. I've read some of the stuff linked here and I almost always ask myself WHY when I'm done reading. There hasn't been a single piece I've ever read from that site where I thought I learned something other than they don't know what they're talking about. I'm not even sure who that site would be catering to. Maybe, a new fan, or a young kid. If I was in 7th grade, I might think those guys were something.

We should start a thread to see who people here admire and the places they go for NFL news. I'd be curious to see who everyone is valuing. I have a feeling on some here already who they're reading.
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True but how often do Packers reporter "tow the company line"? They normally give what they see or what the coaches said and give their own opinion of it.

As for fans, it really depends on the person as some fans seem to know a ton and other fans it like, 'have you watched any games lately' or as that article the other day, just buying into the hype without confirming that the player should have the hype around them.

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Also, no one is forcing anyone to agree with anyone else, be it beat reporter or blog person.
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