Packers WR Jared Abbrederis drops out of first practice· Page 3

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

Are you guys saying that if YOU were blessed with NFL quality talent and got hit in the head a few times hard enough for them to call it a concussion, YOU would make the decision to pull the plug on your career, especially if you hadn't really gotten any significant gulp of success? Or do you just want to take that decision away from individuals and FORCE them to quit before that are ready?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

If I was Abby, I wouldn't quit just yet. But I'd have some pretty sweet insurance.

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beast
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9 years ago

#22

Concussion? Hmmm. That sounds like a way to legitimately place him on IR.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I know there is always exceptions to rules, but in the past it seems like most guys that end up with two straight seasons of early IR season ending injuries normally were cut and not given a chance for the 3 peat. So if he's goes to the IR again this early he could be done as a Packers even if he decides to keep playing.

If I was Abby, I wouldn't quit just yet. But I'd have some pretty sweet insurance.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

After so many concussions the insurance people probably wouldn't allow him to use concussions as a way to get the money and that would be a loophole for them to get out of paying it.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#23

Is he capable of making a sound decision, Tex? Look at Borland... he quit.

What reason would you have for staying? I don't think Abby is like the kind of person who would stay. I'm betting he's more Borland than he is you.

I'm saying HE will make the decision to quit because it's the right thing for him.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Borland was bonehead stupid - IMO, but at least it was his own decision instead of having it forced on him. Additionally, he had made enough to live good the rest of his life by regular people standards anyway.

How would YOU like to be told you were "incapable of making a sound decision" to earn at least a few million dollars?

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earthquake
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9 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

This is the second time you've mentioned this forced nonsense. A few fans suggest he should retire if the concussion thing is a recurring problem (seems reasonable to me), and you see this as... Somehow... Someone... Forcing him to retire? You realize fans on an internet forum have no means to do such a thing, right?

Even if the Packers cut him due to concerns about concussions, that wouldn't be forcing him to retire, as he would be free to sign with 31 other teams. The only way he would be forced to tried is if all 32 teams thought the concern was high enough not to give him a chance, which would be a pretty good indication that it's not worth the risk anyway. Even then, he could probably go to Canada to play if he really wanted to.

Personally, I see the choice to retire and protect one's health rather than chase short term money and potentially end up with serious medical problems in the later half of life as a smart decision, not a stupid one. How much money is it worth to live a normal, healthy life? Retiring from football doesn't mean you're automatically homeless with no means to earn income either. These players have college educations and connections in the sports world that should enable them to get a decent job. God forbid these pampered foodball players have to earn a living by taking a 9-5 job like the rest of us, that would be beyond the pale indeed.

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texaspackerbacker
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9 years ago

#25

This is the second time you've mentioned this forced nonsense. A few fans suggest he should retire if the concussion thing is a recurring problem (seems reasonable to me), and you see this as... Somehow... Someone... Forcing him to retire? You realize fans on an internet forum have nomeans to do such a thing, right?

Even if the Packers cut him due to concerns about concussions, that wouldn't be forcing him to retire, as he would be free to sign with 31 other teams. The only way he would be forced to tried is if all 32 teams thought the concern was high enough not to give him a chance, which would be a pretty good indication that it's not worth the risk anyway. Even then, he could probably go to Canada to play if he really wanted to.

Personally, I see the choice to retire and protect one's health rather than chase short term money and potentially end up with serious medical problems in the later half of life as a smart decision, not a stupid one. How much money is it worth to live a normal, healthy life? Retiring from football doesn't mean you're automatically homeless with no means to earn income either. These players have college educations and connections in the sports world that should enable them to get a decent job. God forbid these pampered foodball players have to earn a living by taking a 9-5 job like the rest of us, that would be beyond the pale indeed.

Originally Posted by: earthquake

I don't recall if I've heard anyone in here or elsewhere advocate players with concussions should at some point be FORCED to retire. The way things are going in so many contexts nowadays, though, that isn't so far-fetched. It's really not that much of an extension from the "concussion protocol" which FORCES players and teams to hold out those players until mandated conditions can be met. Good idea or bad idea, that's up for debate, but the point is, it happens and a lot of people approve. That's a large step down the path of "FORCING" players to retire.

If you were a player, you would have that "personal choice" - that also is the point, you SHOULD. So should every player. The other point, though, is that extremely many more players have survived concussions, a lot of them in many cases, and NOT had those bad effects than have been messed up. If a player chooses to play the percentages rather than take the strictly cautious route, who's to say whether that is a "smart decision or a stupid one"? I don't know about you, but if God gave me the talent to makes millions, maybe tens of millions, playing a fun game, I'd really really hate to come down to getting normal person pay for the drudgery of a regular job. I'm pretty sure I'd take the high percentage gamble and continue playing in that case - and I'd sure hate for some damn regulatory body to take that decision out of my hands.

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nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#26

40 years ago if a dude tore up his knee, his career was over.

Nowadays we can reconstruct knees, but we can't necessarily reconstitute brains. Might have to take a look at that at some point. Protecting guys from themselves.

The Packers cut Don Beebe for concussions, iirc.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#27

How's Beebe these days? How's Troy Aikman with all his concussions? Steve Young too. Jim McMahon I guess is pretty messed up, but likely his brain got fried by chemicals, not hits.

I think the whole problem is greatly overrated.

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earthquake
Member

9 years ago

#28

Young retired after essentially 9 seasons as a starter, if I recall, because of his multiple concussions. He retired while he was still at the top of his game and many people were surprised, I'm sure he was able and would have loved to keep playing if there truly were not significant risks to consider. It's a tough argument to make that he didn't make the right call getting out when he did.

Had he stuck around and took the same beating for 4 or 5 more years, would he be doing as well as he is now? Will he still be doing well in 20 years? These aren't questions any of us can answer, and unfortunately concussion effects are not something that can easily be predicted. The NFL has fought hard against any sort of comprehensive scientific research being done, do you think they've done so because it's all much ado about nothing?

How is Junior Seau doing? For every player you can point to with a concussion history that appears to be doing alright (for today) you can find just as many guys dealing with serious problems, especially the older guys.

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Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

#29

The choice is up to Jared, and/or the Packers.
I wouldn't blame him if he quit OR tried to keep playing.
But he sure seems to be accident prone.
If he has to go on IR again, he's done.
He has to make a stand and produce THIS year, or I can't see the Packers keeping him around.
He's got brains, so im sure he could make a living outside of football. But Id love to see him play.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#30

Nourish blood and yin essence. There's stuff that can be done to protect and maintain people after head injuries.

But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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