uffda udfa
9 years ago

I'm pretty sure it means more than some guy on a message board who didn't want Adams when he was drafted, and seems really disappointed when he plays well and gets recognized by coaches, teammates, reporters, and fans.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Actually, it probably means about the same.

I'm not disappointed. I just think there has been way too much gushing over a guy who really didn't do all that much as a rookie and I haven't seen anything that gets me really excited about his future.


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buckeyepackfan
9 years ago

Actually, it probably means about the same.

I'm not disappointed. I just think there has been way too much gushing over a guy who really didn't do all that much as a rookie and I haven't seen anything that gets me really excited about his future.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You're ability to judge talent is well documented.

Goes right along with Ted's ability to make you look foolish.

For a 2nd round pick Adams did just fine last year.
He excelled in a couple of games and he was not a factor in others.

Pretty much what most expect from a rookie.

Plenty of talent ready to challenge him this pre-season, will only make him better.
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sschind
9 years ago

Actually, it probably means about the same.

I'm not disappointed. I just think there has been way too much gushing over a guy who really didn't do all that much as a rookie and I haven't seen anything that gets me really excited about his future.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



as opposed to gushing over a player who did even less as a rookie. Although he did show at least one person something on one play late in a preseason game. I know, I know, I keep forgetting his Julioesque measurables.

I do agree with you though on being wary of putting too much stock into what team mates say. It's on a par with what coaches say and probably only a tiny bit more relevant than what some guy on some internet forum says. The thing is it has to work both ways. You can't discount what is said about players you don't care for and then bring up something positive that is said about a player you prefer.

On a bit of a side note and not to hijack the thread but IMO that is exactly what happened when Brett said the vikings team was the most talented he had ever played on, or whatever his words were. He said it because that is what the leader of a team is supposed to say. I would be very surprised to find out that he really meant it. The Favre haters just took it as a personal slight against the Packers and ran with it though

The bottom line is team mates, coaches, fans, they say stuff about each other all the time. Sometimes it is the truth, sometimes they may actually believe what they say, and sometimes it is just said because it is what is expected to be said. The thing is it is very difficult to know which one it is sometimes.
greengold
9 years ago

Actually, it probably means about the same.

I'm not disappointed. I just think there has been way too much gushing over a guy who really didn't do all that much as a rookie and I haven't seen anything that gets me really excited about his future.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 




I want to be sure I can follow all of this. According to uffda:

1. Jeff Janis is too dumb to get on the field.

2. Davante Adams is even dumber than Jeff Janis.

3. Davante said something flattering about a fellow player that was really insightful. (V12 baby was it?)

4. Aaron Rodgers said something flattering about a fellow player that means absolutely nothing.

5. Randall Cobb said flattering things about the same player unprompted, that also means absolutely nothing.

Does that mean Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb are dumber than Davante Adams who is dumber than a guy too dumb to get on the field?



uffda udfa
9 years ago

I want to be sure I can follow all of this. According to uffda:

1. Jeff Janis is too dumb to get on the field.

2. Davante Adams is even dumber than Jeff Janis.

3. Davante said something flattering about a fellow player that was really insightful. (V12 baby was it?)

4. Aaron Rodgers said something flattering about a fellow player that means absolutely nothing.

5. Randall Cobb said flattering things about the same player unprompted, that also means absolutely nothing.

Does that mean Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb are dumber than Davante Adams who is dumber than a guy too dumb to get on the field?

Originally Posted by: greengold 



1. Pondered the possibility ...MM refuted that saying he was coming on and ready after Thanksgiving.

2. Janis excelled at the Wonderlic...Adams did not.

3. Davante commented on something EVERYONE saw. PURE SPEED. Yes, V12

4. Aaron has a failed history with being wrong when he does so.

5. Yes, because he's a teammate and we haven't seen the same things ourselves. They are in the same WR room and it's always good as a teammate to encourage one another.


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greengold
9 years ago

1. Pondered the possibility ...MM refuted that saying he was coming on and ready after Thanksgiving.

2. Janis excelled at the Wonderlic...Adams did not.

3. Davante commented on something EVERYONE saw. PURE SPEED. Yes, V12

4. Aaron has a failed history with being wrong when he does so.

5. Yes, because he's a teammate and we haven't seen the same things ourselves. They are in the same WR room and it's always good as a teammate to encourage one another.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Why does a McCarthy quote carry any weight? Didn't he say nice things about Boykin one year and then a year later Boykin signed with another team? Didn't he say nice things about Dujuan Harris about a year before he left for another team? You just can't believe anything that guy says!


uffda udfa
9 years ago

Why does a McCarthy quote carry any weight? Didn't he say nice things about Boykin one year and then a year later Boykin signed with another team? Didn't he say nice things about Dujuan Harris about a year before he left for another team? You just can't believe anything that guy says!

Originally Posted by: greengold 



You really can't. Good point. I would say I would consider his comments after the fact far more valid than those in front of something. Mike McCarthy was answering a question about the past not the future when it came to Janis. If he said JJ got it after Thanksgiving, I tend to trust that way more than, JJ is going to take a big step for us this year.

My overriding point is fans lap up words of players and coaches as if it's an unbiased opinion. It often means diddly because of the PR reasons it's said in the first place.


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greengold
9 years ago

My overriding point is fans lap up words of players and coaches as if it's an unbiased opinion. It often means diddly because of the PR reasons it's said in the first place.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



And you lap up words of players and coaches when it supports your position, and dismiss the words of the same players and coaches when it doesn't.



uffda udfa
9 years ago

And you lap up words of players and coaches when it supports your position, and dismiss the words of the same players and coaches when it doesn't.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



No, sir. I have explained to you the differences. I suggest you look up "nuanced" in the dictionary.


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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

ESPNWisconsin: Speaking of that perfectionist nature, you have made it very clear in recent years that if a player is going to make mental mistakes and isn’t going to be where he’s supposed to be, you don’t want him on the field with you. Last year, you were tough on Davante Adams initially, but as the year wore on, he proved himself to you, and last week you wouldn’t stop talking about his approach and work ethic and potential. How do you balance demanding excellence from your teammates with not wanting them to hate you because you’re so tough on them?

Aaron Rodgers: I never called out Davante by name last year. I was hoping that he would pick it up with his practice habits. But Davante is a very polished player, and he has an excellent demeanor for a guy who’s going to be a star. I mean, he carries himself like a star – which is a very high compliment. There’s only been a few guys around here who’ve had that charisma: Charles (Woodson), Julius (Peppers, Greg (Jennings) always had it as a young player. But there’s very few guys that really ‘get it.” And he has supreme confidence, and it’s contagious. And I’m really proud of his approach and his attitude. It makes you want to get him the ball more. It makes you watch the film and have regrets about not giving him more opportunities. And that’s again, another compliment for him. He really came on and made plays last season. But the entire time, between his big game against New England and Dallas, where he didn’t get a lot of touches and his targets were low, he was always bringing it and running his routes to win, which is a huge accomplishment for a young guy. So that’s what we’re looking for from the other young guys, and they’ve got to come along.



When I said Aaron seems to speak about players with precision, this supports that. Also shows he's not as bias as some falsely claim him to be. I highlighted a little portion that I think we uninformed fans should heed notice of. Let's keep an eye on this Adams kid!
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