This isn't exactly Bert v Aaron.

This is churning on the bottom of the roster. These guys at the bottom aren't all THAT good. Sometimes it comes down to who has more potential next year. Sometimes it comes down to who fits what they want them to do better. Sometimes there's off-field bullshit about which we know nothing.

Get over it, man.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

This isn't exactly Bert v Aaron.

This is churning on the bottom of the roster. These guys at the bottom aren't all THAT good. Sometimes it comes down to who has more potential next year. Sometimes it comes down to who fits what they want them to do better. Sometimes there's off-field bullshit about which we know nothing.

Get over it, man.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

A mistake is a mistake whether it's at the bottom or top of your roster. Don't minimize what potentially happened here... it's TBD as for now but it looks more in Rolle's favor right now.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Well, from what I have heard, the assessment of Rolle was might make a good 4th CB. He had been around the league for a year at that point. Goodson had been around for a few months and missed a lot of practice time due to injury. Higher potential ceiling, lower potential floor perhaps.

So you prefer a GM to gamble with high priced free agency, but he shouldn't gamble at all when it comes to the 6th cornerback slot on the roster. Do I have that right?

Originally Posted by: greengold 

On most teams I would agree with your sentiment...not in Green Bay under TT's approach...the bottom and the middle of the roster often doesn't have much separation. That is why UDFA's make our team with relative ease and consistency. I can only think back to Cullen Jenkins... this is pre-TT...he was a guy who was cut that I liked in TC and preseason. Eventually, this "bottom feeder" at the bottom of the roster that was churning became a stud for our DL. I don't think he ever got his true due in Green Bay. We were clearly not as good without Cullen and haven't been since his departure.

Sam Shields and Tramon Williams weren't top of the mind guys when they got here. Had either one of them been cut like Rolle you'd have said the exact same thing about them as you're saying now about what happened with Rolle. Joe Whitt likened Jumal Rolle to Sam Shields yet he was cut in favor in Goodson. I have NEVER heard Goodson likened to Sam Shields or anyone of any renown.

Am I saying Rolle is a Tramon or Sammy? No. Who knows, though? I was a huge Shields guy from the get go but can honestly say I don't even remember Williams when he first came to us.

Kurt Warner was in our camp ... he was nothing but a camp body...guy goes on to have a HOF career and won as many rings as Brett or Aaron.

A mistake is a mistake whether it's at the bottom or top of your roster. Don't minimize what potentially happened here... it's TBD as for now but it looks more in Rolle's favor right now.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

What looked in Tramon Williams favor when he got here? Didn't play in 2006... no stats at all. Had 1 pick 4 pass defended and 16 tackles. Wow, what a house afire in his first couple of years with the Packers.

Rolle had 3 picks last year. I know Barfarn isn't a fan of that. I merely post for comparison sake. Did any of you think Tramon Williams was going to be what he was in Year 1 or Year 2? A multimillion dollar long term starter for us?

If Goodson sucks, and Rolle blossoms of course it's a major miss. I said it was TBD. Early returns are Rolle is better. Doesn't mean it will end that day.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

You said things look in his favor at this point so what exactly is in favor of a player who is the #6 on a team with not that impressive of a CB group? Like I said, "as of now" losing Rolle is no more of a miss than losing Josh Gordy or Brendian Ross. It's a miss if Rolle ends up being a good player. If Goodson turns into Revis but Rolle ends up being good too it's still a miss on a good player, Goodson has nothing to do with it. You can bring up Tramon Williams all you want but for every one of him there are 10 that hang out a year or two and end up doing nothing of note and Rolle is more likely at this point one of the 10. I even liked Rolle as an all around kind of CB but I don't think he's got the ceiling that Goodson does as a man cover corner. I see Rolle's absolute ceiling as a Jarrett Bush or Micah Hyde type which isn't a bad player but if you've already got a couple of those it makes sense to favor a different type to develop on the back end of your roster.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Steve???? Is that you? Seriously, brother? What is in his favor? The guy picked 3 passes in real NFL games last year. Did Goodson even see the field? You just restated what I've stated a couple of times...this is a TBD situation and will be bad IF Rolle turns out to be a player and Goodson turns out to be Joey Thomas.

Bush is unlikely to be back. I truly hope this is it for him. For such a "wonderful" ST player we sure aren't very good on ST's. Do we keep him around so we aren't even worse because he isn't making us a good unit.

I'm surprised you left out the multiple Packers forum popular Erwin Swiney. Josh Gordy wasn't a bad player. Had tons of speed and athleticism if memory serves out of Rice. Brandian was another intriguing guy.

Goodson should've been cut, too. If he's a UDFA I'll bet he would've been.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa