Zero2Cool
9 years ago
I was reading about that FOX reporter who lied about a home invasion as her motivation for purchasing a gun as means of protection and it got me thinking about our rights and what has changed.

Our Constitutional rights were first ratified on December 15th, 1791 so when I hear someone saying our rights have been what they are for centuries as basis for why they shouldn't change, I can't help but think of things that were acceptable back then that are taboo now. One example is marriage at young ages as early as 10 years old.

I am not saying the age of marital consent should be lowered, nor am I saying our Gun rights should be infringed. I just find it fascinating when someone argues "its always been like this" and then on a different issue argues for change because things "have changed since then".

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Wade
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9 years ago

I was reading about that FOX reporter who lied about a home invasion as her motivation for purchasing a gun as means of protection and it got me thinking about our rights and what has changed.

Our Constitutional rights were first ratified on December 15th, 1791 so when I hear someone saying our rights have been what they are for centuries as basis for why they shouldn't change, I can't help but think of things that were acceptable back then that are taboo now. One example is marriage at young ages as early as 10 years old.

I am not saying the age of marital consent should be lowered, nor am I saying our Gun rights should be infringed. I just find it fascinating when someone argues "its always been like this" and then on a different issue argues for change because things "have changed since then".

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



IMO the problem is that people seem to think that it is the gun buyer who should have to explain why they are buying a gun. If the lady wants a gun, and she's an adult, she should be able to buy a gun.

I don't own a gun. I don't expect to own a gun again before I die. But if I were to (try to) buy a gun, and some nimrod asked me why, I'd tell them the following:
1. Because I don't trust the state. And because I don't trust the state, I want those who would run my life through the use of state power to be aware of what might happen if they piss too many people off.
And, incidentally,
2. Because I want to piss off nimrods who ask why I want a gun.

Of course, #1 would more likely get me more state attention and stop anyone from selling me a gun even if said state didn't stop me first.

But, like I said, despite my disgust/anger/frustration/general pissed-off-edness at the state, its lackeys, its valuers, and its apologists, I don't expect to ever have a gun in my possession again.

As for your other thought about change, Kevin, there's no problem with changing things per se. But part of the wisdom of the founders, which we have abandoned, is putting a serious burden of proof and action on those who would restrict the ways in which we pursue happiness. Just pointing out that "things have changed", that "we've learned a lot since then," or similar excuses people use for taking away prior practices isn't enough. You, or the Congress or your favorite change advocate or your fourth cousin and member of the Women's Temperance Union want to change what people can do? It's your job to go through the slogging that it takes to amend the Constitution, etc.

It's not the job of the person who has disgusting habits of owning an assault rifle or picking his nose or nagging about the rights with which he's been endowed by his Creator.

Sorry.

Or shouldn't be. :study: :pirate:šŸ¤¬ šŸ˜ :cussing: :study:
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texaspackerbacker
9 years ago

I was reading about that FOX reporter who lied about a home invasion as her motivation for purchasing a gun as means of protection and it got me thinking about our rights and what has changed.

Our Constitutional rights were first ratified on December 15th, 1791 so when I hear someone saying our rights have been what they are for centuries as basis for why they shouldn't change, I can't help but think of things that were acceptable back then that are taboo now. One example is marriage at young ages as early as 10 years old.

I am not saying the age of marital consent should be lowered, nor am I saying our Gun rights should be infringed. I just find it fascinating when someone argues "its always been like this" and then on a different issue argues for change because things "have changed since then".

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I feel compelled to mention, there ain't anything in the Constitution of the United States guaranteeing the right to marry ten year olds (maybe someplace that embraces Sharia Law hahahaha). Therefore, it ain't exactly the same thing as citing 2nd Amendment rights for gun ownership. Same as Wade, I have never and don't expect to own a gun. I never fired one outside of the army. So I don't really have a dog in this hunt. However, I point this out from solidarity with the gun rights crowd.

You don't like "someone saying our rights have been what they are for centuries as basis for why they shouldn't change"; Well, I don't like the stupid advocacy of CHANGE for change sake. Even what I consider the Good Guys, it seems, feel it necessary to pay lip service to a "need" for change. In the Great majority of topics and scenarios, things are just fine and no damn change is needed. I assume that includes the red herring known as gun control.
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Cheesey
9 years ago
Well, I DO own guns, and have since I was 16 years old.
I think the important point in this thread is, not gun ownership, the those that would like to take away the rIghts that our forefathers fought for.
Too many "politically correct" types want to chip away at our rights.
I own guns for hunting and for protection. I hope I never have to use one for defense, but if I do, I want the option to do so.
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DakotaT
9 years ago
Anybody that thinks there are enough politicians to pass a law banning the ownership of guns is a fucking lunatic. Very few would be willing to commit that kind of political suicide. This is and always will be a non-issue in this country as far as I'm concerned. I am rather amused at all the attention it gets.

On the flip side, the gun manufacturers and ballistic companies are sure making huge bank off the paranoia created in the minds of losers who think they will lose their rights. Complete entertainment for me.

I own a shotgun and 270. That's all I need. And Grace has a pink bb gun.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Anybody that thinks there are enough politicians to pass a law banning the ownership of guns is a fucking lunatic. Very few would be willing to commit that kind of political suicide. This is and always will be a non-issue in this country as far as I'm concerned. I am rather amused at all the attention it gets.

On the flip side, the gun manufacturers and ballistic companies are sure making huge bank off the paranoia created in the minds of losers who think they will lose their rights. Complete entertainment for me.

I own a shotgun and 270. That's all I need. And Grace has a pink bb gun.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Quite honestly, I'm more fearful of the bb gun.
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Wade
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9 years ago
Actually, I just realized I misspoke.

I do have a gun. It's been in storage for years, but it's still mine and its a classic.

Winchester
30-30
Model 94.
Ka Boom!
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Cheesey
9 years ago

Anybody that thinks there are enough politicians to pass a law banning the ownership of guns is a fucking lunatic. Very few would be willing to commit that kind of political suicide. This is and always will be a non-issue in this country as far as I'm concerned. I am rather amused at all the attention it gets.

On the flip side, the gun manufacturers and ballistic companies are sure making huge bank off the paranoia created in the minds of losers who think they will lose their rights. Complete entertainment for me.

I own a shotgun and 270. That's all I need. And Grace has a pink bb gun.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



There are countries all over the world that had that same mindset. Many of them no longer have the freedom to own guns. They lost their rights because they also thought "That will never happen here!"
Too many take their rights for granted. And when you do that, some day those rights they took for granted will be gone too.
The first thing Hitler did was disarm the German people. It made it a lot easier to take over control.

So I guess you would call me a "lunatic" for trying to be on guard for the rights of our citizens. Think of all the left wingers out there that keep screaming that we need to ban guns. They scream louder every day. They don't bother to accept the fact that it's the CRIMINALS that misuse guns. And gun control laws ONLY affect law abiding citizens. Not ONE bad guy will turn in his or her gun if they pass stricter gun control laws.
And the black market will always be there. Besides, criminals LOVE unarmed victims.
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DakotaT
9 years ago

There are countries all over the world that had that same mindset. Many of them no longer have the freedom to own guns. They lost their rights because they also thought "That will never happen here!"
Too many take their rights for granted. And when you do that, some day those rights they took for granted will be gone too.
The first thing Hitler did was disarm the German people. It made it a lot easier to take over control.

So I guess you would call me a "lunatic" for trying to be on guard for the rights of our citizens. Think of all the left wingers out there that keep screaming that we need to ban guns. They scream louder every day. They don't bother to accept the fact that it's the CRIMINALS that misuse guns. And gun control laws ONLY affect law abiding citizens. Not ONE bad guy will turn in his or her gun if they pass stricter gun control laws.
And the black market will always be there. Besides, criminals LOVE unarmed victims.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Lunatic might be strong. Paranoid, absolutely!
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Cheesey
9 years ago
So, Troy....did you read what I wrote? Is it not true that many countries have lost their gun rights because they took it for granted that those rights would just be there?
Think that can't happen here?
Is that being "paranoid?"
Id say it's being on guard and not taking anything for granted.

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