steveishere
9 years ago

Wonder who will be starting opposing Sam Shields, Hayward - Hyde - * unsung hero * - draft.

Originally Posted by: shield4life 



At this point it's probably Shields and Hayward with Hyde in the slot. Hayward might not be as good outside as he is in the slot but I don't really see a rookie CB beating him out as a starter this year. If that happens I think we can feel pretty good about that rookie though because Hayward is pretty solid.
Yerko
9 years ago

The bad... Packers lose both Williams and House....
The good... both most likely get the Packers high comp picks (3rd/4th range) next year....

The new questions
1) Will the Packers be bringing in any outside FA CBs in?
2) What does the draft look like for the CB positions?
3) What are the chances the Packers move Hyde back to CB?
4) What does the draft look like for the CB positions? (in case #3 happens)
5) Can Richardson be a good #3 S? Or would they need more help there if they moved Hyde back?


Originally Posted by: beast 



1. Would be good to look around but pickings are getting slim. Zachary Bowman might be someone to look at.
2. One CB I have been drooling over is PJ Williams from FSU. I work with a guy that is good friends with him (played at the same high school) that said he has the tools to become an exceptional corner in the league. Big for a corner and has a good press game. Imo, someone who can manage coverage with Megatron and Alshon.
3. I think this is going to have to be done due to lack of depth at CB now.
4. Jalen Collins (LSU) is another name to consider here. Both Collins and Williams can easily be there at pick 30. Its just a matter of what Ted Thompson sees as more of a need, CB or ILB.
5. I like Richardson in the run game. That is about it. He is a physical safety.

Thinking about what I just wrote, I am freaking out a little now about the CB and ILB positions. There is a good chance that a Perryman, Dawson or Kendricks is available in the 2nd round but it is risky if Ted Thompson were to go the CB route in the first. For all we know, Ted Thompson might not even have any of these guys on his radar.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago
We are instantly less soft with him gone. I am ecstatic. 3 of our softest players are no more...Hawk, Jones and Tramon.

Tramon will never see year 3 of his current deal and may not, depending on structure, see year 2.

I'm happy to see the change. My lasting memory will be him taking one to the house right before half in the playoff game at Atlanta.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

I'm happy to see the change. My lasting memory will be him taking one to the house right before half in the playoff game at Atlanta.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



When that happened, I said "GAME OVER!". Can you imagine how debilitating that had to be? Trying to at least get into FG range and BOOM, tack on another 7 for the good guys.
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porky88
9 years ago
Time to get Casey Heyward on the field more. He's way too underutilized.
texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
Most of the time when a Packer signs with somebody else, I have bad feelings for them. Occasionally, though, when somebody who has given us excellence for a long time goes and literally FLEECES some other team, well, I'll just say Good Job and Good Luck. I hope enough of that $21 mil is guaranteed.
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dhazer
9 years ago

We are instantly less soft with him gone. I am ecstatic. 3 of our softest players are no more...Hawk, Jones and Tramon.

Tramon will never see year 3 of his current deal and may not, depending on structure, see year 2.

I'm happy to see the change. My lasting memory will be him taking one to the house right before half in the playoff game at Atlanta.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Seriously are you at all a Packer fan? You say those are all good moves but we did nothing to replace them. The defense was playing great at the end of the year but now you take away what 4 of the starters and you think its ok. Alot of people are saying its ok but what did we replace these guys with? Anyone Anyone Bueller? Right now we have 2 ILB that were what 3rd string bottom of the barrel CBs and no NT. Yaaaaaa I can see another 9-7 year coming because our defense won't stop anyone. Maybe thats why he banked so much on the whale and Cobb, hoping to outscore other teams. I think we have lost ground on the Seahawks and Cowboys and Eagles.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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greengold
9 years ago
Holy Crap! I don't see any details anywhere yet but I'm guessing he will make at least 50% more this year than he would have gotten here.

I actually wish him well and hope he does well ... but I don't see him living up to that contract. I think the offer for him to stay and retire as a Packer was more than fair.
musccy
9 years ago

Seriously are you at all a Packer fan? You say those are all good moves but we did nothing to replace them. The defense was playing great at the end of the year but now you take away what 4 of the starters and you think its ok. Alot of people are saying its ok but what did we replace these guys with? Anyone Anyone Bueller? Right now we have 2 ILB that were what 3rd string bottom of the barrel CBs and no NT. Yaaaaaa I can see another 9-7 year coming because our defense won't stop anyone. Maybe thats why he banked so much on the whale and Cobb, hoping to outscore other teams. I think we have lost ground on the Seahawks and Cowboys and Eagles.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 




B. Jones was all but relegated to special teams, and Hawk was conceding snaps to Barrington. I'm not saying they're the answer, but don't forget we've got "hair on fire" Bradford, Mulumba, Palmer and others to experiment with along with the team all but certainly adding depth still via FA and the draft.

As for Tramon - I liked him just because of depth, but a 32 y.o. cb is going to become a liability sooner than later. The saying "better to cut a year too early than a year too late" comes to mind.

Yes, you're right we're left thin and nobody can be happy about that - but that also doesn't justify wasting money on players who won't adequately fill your needs.
dhazer
9 years ago

B. Jones was all but relegated to special teams, and Hawk was conceding snaps to Barrington. I'm not saying they're the answer, but don't forget we've got "hair on fire" Bradford, Mulumba, Palmer and others to experiment with along with the team all but certainly adding depth still via FA and the draft.

As for Tramon - I liked him just because of depth, but a 32 y.o. cb is going to become a liability sooner than later. The saying "better to cut a year too early than a year too late" comes to mind.

Yes, you're right we're left thin and nobody can be happy about that - but that also doesn't justify wasting money on players who won't adequately fill your needs.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



So your close to a Super Bowl and you let alot of your defense go and want to bank on rookies and untested players, ya thats the way to make it to the Super Bowl, oh ya and heaven forbid we over pay on anyone, not like we aren't overpaying for CM3. Ted Thompson acts like he gets to pocket the $21 million we still have in cap room. Oh well hopefully we can get a top 10 pick. Bad thing is we will be playing against the the weak Bears and Vikes and 1 win against the Lions lol. Well so much for a top 5 pick.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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packerfanoutwest (2h) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
Zero2Cool (18h) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
Mucky Tundra (19h) : *winning MVP
Mucky Tundra (20h) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....
beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago
beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems
beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason
beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back
Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D
packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show
TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : And with a Pass Rush that might as well be on a milk cartoon and no Jaire
Martha Careful (10-Feb) : I cant help but feel good about how well the Packers D played in Philly during the playoffs
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : this game is over
Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : This might be the kill shot here
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