nerdmann
10 years ago

In some ways, Packers cornerback Davon House fits the bill of a player whom teams could covet in free agency. For one, House plays a premium position. Secondly, he doesn't turn 27 until July. Finally, he he has good size for a corner (6-0, 195), and he was timed in a solid 4.50 seconds in...

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House or Williams?
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steveishere
10 years ago
House played just fine the problem is with him being able to stay on the field. He's actually the only CB on the team who looked like he could cover guys like Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson at times. I think we should bring him back because he gives us a different body type from everyone else we have on the team.
Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
House+Day Two pick in the Draft:study:
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

House or Williams?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



There's no reason why it has to be one or the other. There's plenty of money/cap space (if they work it right) to retain both. As for a 2nd day draft pick (I assume it was supposed to be 3rd, as they now pick 1st the first day, 2nd and 3rd the second, and the rest the third), yeah, go for it, and let him battle Goodson for the last spot.

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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

House+Day Two pick in the Draft:study:

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



I like that. I can also see our 1st round pick being a Corner depending on how the round develops as I am pretty sure Ted will not reach for an ILB or DL/NT if there is more value in such a key position. I am like most where I feel you can never have too much talent at Corner especially if he can be a return guy on ST.

Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Davon House was the worst Corrnerback on the Packers last season. Even ProFootballFocus sees it as well.

Apparently I took a ride in a DeLorean as these stats below in the Spoiler tags were from 2013. :)

Coverage ratings for 25% or more snaps
Shields +3.6 in 900 snaps
Williams +2.5 in 1,060 snaps
Hyde +1.3 in 428 snaps
House -3.2 in 472 snaps


So, while the numbers were absolutely not wrong, they simply were the wrong year.

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Are Packers fans the only fan base that degrades their starters and over rates their backups?
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

Davon House was the worst Corrnerback on the Packers last season. Even ProFootballFocus sees it as well.

Coverage ratings for 25% or more snaps
Shields +3.6 in 900 snaps
Williams +2.5 in 1,060 snaps
Hyde +1.3 in 428 snaps
House -3.2 in 472 snaps


Are Packers fans the only fan base that degrades their starters and over rates their backups?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I am not sure if this is to say we downgrade our starters and overrate our back-ups. I think this is a matter of money and we should be able to get House fairly cheap and I think Williams play will see a decline and I don't think he is worth the money he will be offered in FA. I also agree with Steve that for some reason House matches up better against the bigger receivers. I am not convinced House is a starter, but I think he can share duties with Hyde. I also think a draft pick will go in round 1 or 2 on a CB which makes the decision to allow Williams to walk away a little easier.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I am not sure if this is to say we downgrade our starters and overrate our back-ups. I think this is a matter of money and we should be able to get House fairly cheap and I think Williams play will see a decline and I don't think he is worth the money he will be offered in FA. I also agree with the article writer that for some reason House matches up better against the bigger receivers. I am not convinced House is a starter, but I think he can share duties with Hyde. I also think a draft pick will go in round 1 or 2 on a CB which makes the decision to allow Williams to walk away a little easier.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 




House only played 1 snap on defense against the Falcons and when he played against the Lions, those were two of his worst games. I agree he has the height/size for matching up on bigger receivers, but his build isn't much different than Jarrett Bush.

Above was a comment off looking at 2013 stats. Thanks PFF!!



Ideally, I would like Tramon Williams to return even if it is at a double what is paid to Davon House.

Some context here, lol. If House gets $5 million, forgot my previous statement, haha.

I think Williams is worth a 3 year deal averaging around $7 million a year.

I think House is worth a 3 year deal averaging twice the veteran minimum with escalators if he starts X amount of games.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

House only played 1 snap on defense against the Falcons and when he played against the Lions, those were two of his worst games. I agree he has the height/size for matching up on bigger receivers, but his build isn't much different than Jarrett Bush.


Ideally, I would like Tramon Williams to return even if it is at a double what is paid to Davon House.

Some context here, lol. If House gets $5 million, forgot my previous statement, haha.

I think Williams is worth a 3 year deal averaging around $7 million a year.

I think House is worth a 3 year deal averaging twice the veteran minimum with escalators if he starts X amount of games.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think this is very sensible. In your earlier post, I thought you were leani ng toward letting House go. I can't dispute your stats, but I like the guy, and I think overall he is decent as a backup or nickel DB.

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beast
10 years ago

Davon House was the worst Corrnerback on the Packers last season. Even ProFootballFocus sees it as well.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Just wondering where does Hayward stand compared to the others? I assume he had less than the "25% or more snaps" and reason he was left off.

Are Packers fans the only fan base that degrades their starters and over rates their backups?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

No, most fans bases do it to a degree... there is even the phase, "Everyone loves the backup quarterback when the starter is struggling"... and same can be said about other positions as well.

I think Williams is worth a 3 year deal averaging around $7 million a year.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I agreed with you until here... and looking at the average of other CBs you might be in the right ball park, but I just feel like that's too much (and felt like Shields contract averaging $9.75 million a year too much).

I'd prefer something more like Tim Jennings or Cortland Finnegan got, in the $5.5 million range with about half the deal guaranteed (or set in a roster bonus based him still be on the team).


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/cornerback/ 
Spotrac list of CB contract with average yearly pay
(not if you click the link, I think you also have to click average to get them in that order)
[list=1]
  • Patrick Peterson $14,010,000
  • Richard Sherman $14,000,000
  • Joe Haden $13,500,000
  • Brandon Carr $10,020,000
  • Johnathan Joseph $9,750,000
  • Sam Shields $9,750,000
  • Leon Hall $9,750,000
  • Aqib Talib $9,500,000
  • Vontae Davis $9,000,000
  • Chris Harris $8,500,000
  • Lardarius Webb $8,333,333
  • Brent Grimes $8,000,000
  • Jason McCourty $7,173,333
  • Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie $7,000,000
  • Alterraun Verner $6,437,500
  • Cortez Allen $6,150,000
  • Cary Williams $5,666,667
  • Tim Jennings $5,600,000
  • Brandon Browner $5,600,000
  • Sean Smith $5,500,000
  • Cortland Finnegan $5,500,000
  • Keenan Lewis $5,110,000
  • Greg Toler $4,750,000
  • DeAngelo Hall $4,250,000
  • Leodis McKelvin $4,250,000
  • Corey Graham $4,075,000
  • Morris Claiborne $4,066,126
  • Kyle Arrington $4,000,000 [/list]

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