Rodgers isn't even having best year among QB's, Watt is MVP· Page 7

bboystyle
Member

10 years ago

#61

I think Andrew Luck is moreso than Brady. It could be argued that he is even more valuable to that team than Rodgers.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

Based on what? Luck is highly over rated. We proved this team is crap without Rodgers. Luck hasn't proved his value

cheeseheads123
Member

10 years ago

#62

Aaron Rodgers is the MVP if we like it or not. That recent game against the bills has made us forget how incredible Rodgers has been this season. The reason I say that we might not like Rodgers for MVP is that I understand that the odds are against the Mvps when it comes to superbowls (that was for you zero I caught on to your plan [grin1] ).

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#63

Based on what? Luck is highly over rated. We proved this team is crap without Rodgers. Luck hasn't proved his value

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

Based on going from a 2-14 team without him to an 11-5 team with him. There is not a whole lot of talent on that team.

bboystyle
Member

10 years ago

#64

Based on going from a 2-14 team without him to an 11-5 team with him. There is not a whole lot of talent on that team.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

and? This team only won two games itself without Rodgers and damn near sucked against Lions last week when he left. Luck is over rated and a disaster waiting to happen. Theres plenty of talent on that team and they play in a dome.

no way in hell is Luck more important to his team then Rodgers.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#65

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

There is no way that Indy has more talent outside the QB position than Green Bay.

Not sure what your hate is for the guy. I'm not saying he is better than Rodgers, but he is pretty damn good and showed it against us in 2012.

beast
Select Member

10 years ago

#66

Why not mention Tom Brady? Because J.J. Watt is most deserving and others are distant second. If Watt doesn't win, the award is more pointless than handing out ribbons for participation.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Watt's team didn't make the playoffs... what year (and what players) was last to win the MVP award and not make it to the playoffs? Just wondering...

blueleopard
Member

10 years ago

#67

The Texans finished with a winning record. The fact that the Texans didn't make the playoffs is a moot point.

If you're going to give MVP to a QB every year, might as well call it the QB award.

Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings

DoddPower
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#68

The Texans finished with a winning record. The fact that the Texans didn't make the playoffs is a moot point.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard

I disagree with this. The most valuable player in the league should at least elevate the play of his teammates and his team as a whole to make the playoffs. If not, how valuable can he truly be? I understand there are some extenuating circumstances and exceptions, but I'm not sure this is one of them. JJ Watt is extremely valuable. But he's simply not more valuable than Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. Like it or not, it's a QB league. A defensive player has to check off all of the boxes in order to beat a quarterback in an MVP race, and JJ Watt just hasn't quite done that, imo. Very close, though. His individual stats are great, but the Texans defensive stats as a whole just aren't good enough to claim him as the most valuable player in the league. It's just the way the NFL is presently, whether any of us like it or not.

DakotaT
Select Member

10 years ago

#69

If Rodgers played for an East Coast team, he'd be MVP every year. The press would shoot so much sunshine up his ass he'd illuminate Manhattan. This whole thread is ridiculous because Rodgers is hands down the best player in this league. He makes superstars out of guys less talented than the superstars.

JJ Watt had an unbelievable year, and that is why they created the Defensive Player of the Year award to acknowledge players like him. This is an offensive driven league which is what puts butts in the seats and geeks playing fantasy football. At best Watt gets to share the award with Rodgers.

blueleopard
Member

10 years ago

#70

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

We'll agree to disagree here.

It's not a knock on Rodgers, but you have to look at everything Watt has done. The man had 20 sacks, and he plays 3-4 defensive end. We run a 3-4. You all know as well as I do that the job of a 3-4 linemen isn't even to apply pressure to a QB. Not only has he done that, but he's scored touchdowns.

He's scored touchdowns on BOTH sides of the ball. In fact, he's SCORED MORE touchdowns than both LeSean McCoy and Calvin Johnson -- two very dynamic players who are both considered first round draft choices in Fantasy Football.

Not to mention the fantasy leagues I was a part of that included IDP players had championship rosters with Watt in them.

Imagine... people losing sleep playing Fantasy Football because of a DEFENSIVE PLAYER?

Unreal. And that's what J.J. Watt is.

While I'm not lobbying anybody to agree with my thinking, at the very least I hope it explains why I really think it should happen.

When Aaron Rodgers lines up to play linebacker, maybe I'll reconsider my thoughts this year.

If and when Rodgers wins it, fine. I'll be happy for him. I'll also think it's a mistake, and the people voting on this should reconsider their positions as football experts with a validated opinion.

Charles Woodson is the only defensive player to win the Heisman, and part of the reason why he won was because he decided to be a threat on the other side of the ball. J.J. Watt did the same thing.

Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings

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