DakotaT
10 years ago

TT sucks. He never signs any free agents. He never goes out and gets what the team needs on the free agent market. He just sucks.

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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Why does he go with guys like Hawk and Jones in the middle for so long when they are so obviously not up to par? And then compound the problem by giving them above average contracts?
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Why does he go with guys like Hawk and Jones in the middle for so long when they are so obviously not up to par? And then compound the problem by giving them above average contracts?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Jones was getting it done for awhile. He's not good when he's injured but he's solid depth due to his ability to run and also play both ILB and OLB.

As for Hawk, his best days are behind him. He's lost that half step that made him adequate, and no one cares about the running game anymore.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

Why does he go with guys like Hawk and Jones in the middle for so long when they are so obviously not up to par? And then compound the problem by giving them above average contracts?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



For several reasons.

First, unlike this board and most fans, Ted Thompson does not have the capability to turn over the entire roster every off season. Let alone after every loss as most fans wish to do. Can't happen. So you address the biggest priorities. ILB, much like FB and P, is not usually one of them.

Second, having Hawk on the roster saves at least 2 spots. Dude never misses a game. So MM can carry an extra DL on the roster. Or WR. Or whatever. In his 9 years on the team, he has missed 2 games. Think about the list of players at the other ILB spot. There's been so many I can't count that high.

Third, it may be that we are not as appreciative of his role and impact. Clay Matthews playing an extensive role in our D has 61 tackles. AJ Hawk, playing a much smaller role, has 90. I don't know where to find the number of plays each has seen, but I am guessing that Clay has seen a lot more time on the field. So wouldn't Hawk be the more efficient tackler? I agree that Hawk is short of big plays, but he's consistent. He's not the best ILB in the league, but he's played next to worse ones most of his career.

Would you rather have the 49ers ILB studs this year? Bowman and Willis? 34 total tackles in a combined 6 games on the field. 11M in salary, sitting. Those 2 missed 26 games this year. Hawk has missed 2 in his career. There's a value to showing up.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Why am I not surprised to read this take from you on Raji :)

Doubt Hawk (or Brad Jones 🙏 🙏 🙏 ) will be back in GB next year, but also doubt he'll will retire. As for Pennell, he was a UDFA from a D2 school. I know he's reported to have tons of talent, but again, he was a UDFA from a D2 school.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Do you SERIOUSLY see Raji any different than that? I admit to thinking Guion would be the same way, but he plays like Raji never did even in his better years - both attitudinally and talent-wise.

Funny, I didn't even remember Brad Jones when commenting on ILBs - he's so far down the toilet. I get pissed off every time he sets foot on the field now. If you don't think Hawk will be back, but not retire, what do you think his fate will be? Get cut and sign with somebody else? I doubt he has even a shred of trade value.

As for Pennell, I didn't mean to imply he was any kind of an answer, just that he might improve - as many D Linemen do. The thing about drafting a D Lineman early, though, is college greatness doesn't always correlate to NFL For every J.J. Watt, there are a dozen first round Rajis (well, maybe not that bad hahahaha). Plus, with the Packers D packages, we don't need more D Line talent, not urgently anyway.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
2013 B.J. Raji 666 snaps with a grade of -24.9
Salary for 2014: $3.1 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus + $300,000 in per-game roster bonuses),

2014 Letroy Guion 555 snaps with a grade of -5.2
Salary for 2014: $730,000 (+ $50,000 workout bonus + $105,000 in per-game roster bonuses),
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DakotaT
10 years ago

For several reasons.

First, unlike this board and most fans, Ted Thompson does not have the capability to turn over the entire roster every off season. Let alone after every loss as most fans wish to do. Can't happen. So you address the biggest priorities. ILB, much like FB and P, is not usually one of them.

Second, having Hawk on the roster saves at least 2 spots. Dude never misses a game. So Mike McCarthy can carry an extra DL on the roster. Or WR. Or whatever. In his 9 years on the team, he has missed 2 games. Think about the list of players at the other ILB spot. There's been so many I can't count that high.

Third, it may be that we are not as appreciative of his role and impact. Clay Matthews playing an extensive role in our D has 61 tackles. AJ Hawk, playing a much smaller role, has 90. I don't know where to find the number of plays each has seen, but I am guessing that Clay has seen a lot more time on the field. So wouldn't Hawk be the more efficient tackler? I agree that Hawk is short of big plays, but he's consistent. He's not the best ILB in the league, but he's played next to worse ones most of his career.

Would you rather have the 49ers ILB studs this year? Bowman and Willis? 34 total tackles in a combined 6 games on the field. 11M in salary, sitting. Those 2 missed 26 games this year. Hawk has missed 2 in his career. There's a value to showing up.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Actually, I would would rather go to a 4-3 and leave Clay in the middle. but if we insist on using this linebacker defense with lousy inside linebackers - than yes I would like to have studs like Bowman and Willis. SF losing both of them is like having Packers karma shifted on to them.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

2013 B.J. Raji 666 snaps with a grade of -24.9
Salary for 2014: $3.1 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus + $300,000 in per-game roster bonuses),

2014 Letroy Guion 555 snaps with a grade of -5.2
Salary for 2014: $730,000 (+ $50,000 workout bonus + $105,000 in per-game roster bonuses),

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Raji was looking legit this TC since they moved him back to his actual position.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

Actually, I would would rather go to a 4-3 and leave Clay in the middle. but if we insist on using this linebacker defense with lousy inside linebackers - than yes I would like to have studs like Bowman and Willis. SF losing both of them is like having Packers karma shifted on to them.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Packers don't seem to be able to find enough DL for a 3-4. But they can shift enough LB in and out to do ok in a 3-4.

4-3 is dependent on finding multiple studs for DL. I'm not confident.

That and we don't even play a traditional 3-4 all that much.
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DakotaT
10 years ago

Packers don't seem to be able to find enough DL for a 3-4. But they can shift enough LB in and out to do ok in a 3-4.

4-3 is dependent on finding multiple studs for DL. I'm not confident.

That and we don't even play a traditional 3-4 all that much.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



We already have Jones, Perry, Daniels, Mike Neal, and possibly Raji. All these guys are square pegs in round holes in our current defense. Jones and Perry are 4-3 DE's and Daniels plays your pass rushing DT. Just need a fat boy in there to keep Clay clean.

We are not playing the 3-4 like it should be played.
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QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

We already have Jones, Perry, Daniels, Mike Neal, and possibly Raji. All these guys are square pegs in round holes in our current defense. Jones and Perry are 4-3 DE's and Daniels plays your pass rushing DT. Just need a fat boy in there to keep Clay clean.

We are not playing the 3-4 like it should be played.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I would argue that we are playing the 3-4 as it should be. We have the 2-4, 1-4, 2-3, 4-1, 4-2, 4-3 and many more versions. I would say that Dom is being as creative as ever with the different combinations he is putting out there. And the results show that.
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