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DakotaT
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10 years ago

Zero, you might as well just move this bad boy over to the Back Alley before the fireworks start. Love ya brother!

I can't believe one of the good normal Americans hasn't brought this topic up already, but I was just wondering if Bush, Cheney, and members of the CIA will finally be brought up on the war crimes they've been hiding from for years?

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10 years ago

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People want to believe that this country is above "torture". But in reality they are just being naïve. "Torture" has been going on and part of the country for as long as it has been a country. As long as people are able to go through the day in relative safety, they don't care or want to know what may or may not have been done to provide that level of safety. But when they do hear, they want to scream about it and condemn the actions so at night they can sleep better.

There is nothing I would not do, to protect my family, and what I would do to protect this country and the people in it, isn't much less.

When people are around, we want that guard dog to be nice and friendly, but once we close the door we want it to do what it takes to protect us.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

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10 years ago

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Nothing new. Every administration has authorized the same over the years. The Armed Forces and covert organizations have done so sanctioned or not since at least the Spanish American War maybe even before that.

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10 years ago

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Yeah, yeah - if that were Obama they would have crucified him already. Case in point - Benghazi; Bush had around 11 Benghazi's in his eight years, and nobody batted an eye. They've wasted what $50 million on hearings on Benghazi? I say public executions for Bush and Cheney just to even things out and prove we aren't a country filled with right wing bigots. Those two are going to burn in hell anyway, might as well just speed things up.

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10 years ago

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Yeah, yeah - if that were Obama they would have crucified him already. Case in point - Benghazi; Bush had around 11 Benghazi's in his eight years, and nobody batted an eye. They've wasted what $50 million on hearings on Benghazi? I say public executions for Bush and Cheney just to even things out and prove we aren't a country filled with right wing bigots. Those two are going to burn in hell anyway, might as well just speed things up.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

First of all, I'll call your bluff about those "11 Benghazi's" during the Bush years. Kindly cite a few of them, if in fact any such thing exists.

Secondly, on the contrary regarding Obama, I and other right thinking Americans would have and indeed do praise Obama for one (and virtually only one) aspect of his sick administration: his dealing with the terrorist enemy - drone strikes, killing bin Laden (although he had little to do with it, he at least didn't sabotage the operation), not closing Guantanamo, and presumably continuing to let the CIA, etc. do what is necessary - interrogations, etc. to keep the country safe.

As for this report, I see it as the Democrat Party's pissy revenge against the American people for kicking their lame asses out of power in the 2014 Congressional elections. I would say they recklessly exposed our patriots who have been in the front lines of the War on Terror to harm, except, I doubt it was a matter of recklessness; I think it was intentional - bordering on treason. As for the content of the report, what they say our people did to those poor unfortunate God damned Muslim terrorists, I say, I HOPE we tortured the shit out of them - literally and figuratively. Aside from the fact that the interrogation tactics undoubtedly yielded a huge amount of information that saved the lives of many Americans, my own point of view is that ANYONE who presumes to stand up against America and tries to kill our people deserves the harshest extremes of pain and suffering - death, but definitely not quickly.

Now I will sit back and see what our resident America-hater has to say about this, as well as anyone else who is namby pamby enough to be upset over the prospect - past, present, and future - of a "no limits" policy when it comes to dealing pain to our terrorist enemies.

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10 years ago

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You're one thing Texas, entertaining.

I see you didn't even bother bringing up Bush or Cheney because those losers can't be defended. They went to war on a flimsy reason that ended up being a lie, just in order to control oil. Well, they put our country into a financial shithole that Barry has somehow turned around - with extreme obstructionism from the bigoted "good normal American" Koch suckers you call your legislators. What an appalling group of bought and paid for shitheads.

Anyway, kiss Barry's ass next time you look at your 401K's - they've rebounded. How about we keep taxing the rich, the Clinton/Obama way and retire that horrible trickle down system invented by greedy, appalling, bigoted men - unwilling to share the wealth of our country. You Republicans really are a sick, disgusting group of people.

Good day, and Merry Christmas. I'd say Happy Holidays, but I know how angry you Leviticus Christians get and feel about that greeting.

Oh yeah, as requested:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Stone Bush and Cheney to death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL You dicks all owe the black man and apology!!!!!!!!! Where'd Gunny run too? Did I cause him to go on another bender?

Wade
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10 years ago

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Aside from the fact that the interrogation tactics undoubtedly yielded a huge amount of information that saved the lives of many Americans, my own point of view is that ANYONE who presumes to stand up against America and tries to kill our people deserves the harshest extremes of pain and suffering - death, but definitely not quickly.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

"Fact"? "Undoubtedly"? I dunno. Which specific terrorist acts were prevented?

I understand that terrorism changes a lot of the rules. And I have no problem in terminating with extreme prejudice those who have demonstrated themselves terrorists (see, e.g., bin Laden). But on the other hand, this country was founded on particular notions regarding the burden of proof. And it bothers me very much when we as citizens in our fears are too easily willing to go along with state-advocated shifts of that burden.

I am not particularly bothered when a military interrogator gets nasty and stretches the Bill of Rights "too far," but I am very much bothered when a elected politician, or worse, a political appointee like, say, Rumsfeld, advocates the necessity. Because those politicians and appointees never actually actually have to do the dirty work of interrogation; and if public opinion gets too negative, they can always play Pontius Pilate and then hide the details beneath a cloak of "national security" and "executive orders."

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PackFanWithTwins
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10 years ago

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"Fact"? "Undoubtedly"? I dunno. Which specific terrorist acts were prevented?

Originally Posted by: Wade

I know driving sober has prevented me from getting into accidents. But since the accidents never happened, it is impossible to say which specific accident was prevented.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

DakotaT
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10 years ago

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I know driving sober has prevented me from getting into accidents. But since the accidents never happened, it is impossible to say which specific accident was prevented.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Do you really think like this? That's like thinking about the children you could have had with the girls you didn't fuck! And for guys like Zero and me - that's a lot of disappointed girls - and children never born.

Wade
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10 years ago

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I know driving sober has prevented me from getting into accidents. But since the accidents never happened, it is impossible to say which specific accident was prevented.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

If you are interrogating to solve a crime already occurred, IMO there is no justification for otherwise unconstitutional interrogation methods.

On the other hand if you (or, rather the people at Gitmo or the people like Rumsfeld who argue about the need for such methods) are interrogating to prevent a crime, then *they* should be able to say which terrorist plot(s) were averted. You and I can't, of course, unless they go public with their successes. But if *they've* got them, why can't they?

And, please, don't give me that national security BS either. If there's a plot averted, there's evidence other than pictures of bad guys (or good guy interrogator).

IMO, if you want to override the constitutional protections in the name of a preventing a real threat, then you damn well better be able to show an actual threat averted at some point.

IMO.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

IronMan
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10 years ago

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They can tie these fuckers up and hang them by their nutsacks as far am I am concerned. No matter what we do people are going to hate us. These people are the scum of the Earth, and should be treated as such.

texaspackerbacker
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10 years ago

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You're one thing Texas, entertaining.

I see you didn't even bother bringing up Bush or Cheney because those losers can't be defended. They went to war on a flimsy reason that ended up being a lie, just in order to control oil. Well, they put our country into a financial shithole that Barry has somehow turned around - with extreme obstructionism from the bigoted "good normal American" Koch suckers you call your legislators. What an appalling group of bought and paid for shitheads.

Anyway, kiss Barry's ass next time you look at your 401K's - they've rebounded. How about we keep taxing the rich, the Clinton/Obama way and retire that horrible trickle down system invented by greedy, appalling, bigoted men - unwilling to share the wealth of our country. You Republicans really are a sick, disgusting group of people.

Good day, and Merry Christmas. I'd say Happy Holidays, but I know how angry you Leviticus Christians get and feel about that greeting.

Oh yeah, as requested:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Stone Bush and Cheney to death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL You dicks all owe the black man and apology!!!!!!!!! Where'd Gunny run too? Did I cause him to go on another bender?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Well, first of all, I'm impressed that you actually put together a long and fairly civil - for you anyway - post, up to that last line, at least. So what if you copy and pasted a lot of it from some leftist website hahahaha.

I will also give you credit for (once in your life) responding and presenting a factual answer regarding the "11 Benghazis". However, it's all down hill from there hahahaha. As for these 11 incidents, my first thought is: I didn't know you cared - about lost American lives, etc. I will just ask you, in even one of those incidents, was there any evidence of negligence or wrongdoing - something similar to Benghazi where we had the resources and the notice before or during the incident in such a way that we could have prevented it or even made things less bad? As you know - or SHOULD know, we easily could have rescued the Americans killed in Benghazi while they were holed up for many hours, and before they got killed. Is there even a shred of evidence that Bush or Cheney could have done anything to prevent these disasters?

As for an apology to "the black man", I honestly haven't emphasized or paid much attention to the Benghazi thing, but to the extent I have, I'm pretty sure the buck stops with Hillary, not Obama. Maybe he was complicit too, being the commander-in-chief and all, but I think it was Madam Secretary who made the decision to prevent a mission to rescue the Americans killed there. So do we need to apologize to poor old Hillary?

As for my failing to defend Bush and Cheney, I really didn't think they needed defending hahahaha. You didn't make any accusation other than the same old ludicrous crap you always make. To my knowledge, nobody even suggested any wrongdoing by them in those 11 incidents you mentioned. As for the topic of this thread, while I didn't directly defend Bush and Cheney, I ABSOLUTELY defended, and in fact praised the stuff the CIA, etc. did - during both the Bush era and the Obama era to combat the God damned Muslim terrorists INCLUDING torture and anything else being speculated either rightly or wrongly.

I believe it was Lenin that coined the term "revisionist history" - a tactic for Communists to twist things around to gain support for the indefensible. You have learned your Leninist lessons well with your comments about American intervention against the terrorist enemy, as well as economic policies, neither of which have anything to do with the topic of the thread, but whatever. Anyway, keep up the good work.

Oh yeah, and a heartfelt Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours - even though it is a little bit early for that. I'm sure we will do a lot of fighting between now and then hahahaha.

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texaspackerbacker
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10 years ago

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If you are interrogating to solve a crime already occurred, IMO there is no justification for otherwise unconstitutional interrogation methods.

On the other hand if you (or, rather the people at Gitmo or the people like Rumsfeld who argue about the need for such methods) are interrogating to prevent a crime, then *they* should be able to say which terrorist plot(s) were averted. You and I can't, of course, unless they go public with their successes. But if *they've* got them, why can't they?

And, please, don't give me that national security BS either. If there's a plot averted, there's evidence other than pictures of bad guys (or good guy interrogator).

IMO, if you want to override the constitutional protections in the name of a preventing a real threat, then you damn well better be able to show an actual threat averted at some point.

IMO.

Originally Posted by: Wade

Wade, I respect the fact that you are consistent in your anti-government stance, and in differentiating that from being anti-American. Just the same, there is a lot of wrongness in your post(s) on this topic.

While your first paragraph my be valid, the point is, the clear perpetrator in "crimes" that have already occurred are often the best sources having knowledge of yet to be perpetrated "crimes". I put quotation marks on "crimes" because that is how the left would treat these acts of terrorism, which more accurately should be considered acts of war - IMO.

I would sum up my reply to the rest of your post by simply saying/asking: What the hell is wrong with invoking National Security? National Security boils down to protecting the LIFE primarily, but also the LIBERTY and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS of all Americans. Excuse me for saying so, but YES, I do want to override the Constitution to avert even a hint of that. You are correct about the rules being changed, and I HOPE you will agree, it wasn't us - America - that changed the rules. It was the God damned Muslim terrorists. If they want Jihad - holy war - with us, then I, for one, have no problem with giving them exactly that - WAR without limits - and virtually, at least, unrestrained by the Constitution or anything else.

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10 years ago

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DakotaT
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They can tie these fuckers up and hang them by their nutsacks as far am I am concerned. No matter what we do people are going to hate us. These people are the scum of the Earth, and should be treated as such.

Originally Posted by: IronMan

This is exactly why I consider all of you guys obtuse! You're like petulant little children who stick their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen to anybody's position on anything.

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Hannity had a big night defending Bush and Cheney!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/11/hannity-loses-his-mind-spends-night-tweeting-pictures-of-mutilated-corpses-to-justify-us-torture/

It kind of reminds me of all the arguments we've had about slavery and the almost genocide of our Native Americans. Hopefully some of your will make the correlation of how you've been programmed. I'd be happy with 10% but I know the mindfucking runs deep with some of you - hahahahahaha!!!!

texaspackerbacker
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Originally Posted by: IronMan

You know what? Last night I got water boarded. I did something I've been thinking about for a long time: I went out to the hot tub, leaned way back, had my wife put a towel over my face and pour water on it - not even just any water, but 104 degree hot tub water. Hell Yeah, it was uncomfortable! But I held my breath and counted - I got to thousand 54 before I terminated the procedure. I was coughing and snorting for a few seconds, but it really wasn't anything all that significant at all. I suppose the detractors of water boarding bad guys would say the real scariness is not knowing or having control of it ending, but hell, if you can't trust the CIA, who can you trust hahahaha?

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texaspackerbacker
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Hannity had a big night defending Bush and Cheney!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/11/hannity-loses-his-mind-spends-night-tweeting-pictures-of-mutilated-corpses-to-justify-us-torture/

It kind of reminds me of all the arguments we've had about slavery and the almost genocide of our Native Americans. Hopefully some of your will make the correlation of how you've been programmed. I'd be happy with 10% but I know the mindfucking runs deep with some of you - hahahahahaha!!!!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

10% what? Slavery? Genocide?

Bringing your inane arguments to the present, you do know, the huge majority of Indians are now capitalistically successful Good Normal Americans, right? And literally ALL of the states with the largest Indian populations are now STRONGLY Republican. Blacks aren't quite there yet - maybe that's the 10% you're talking about - blacks voting for Republicans - at least that is up from 6% a while ago, and trust me, it will be increasing more and more and more at black people become more successful and good and normal Americans too. The days of your side keeping them down on the liberal plantation - SLAVES to the leftist agenda which is so contrary to the good moral beliefs of so many decent church-going pro-American black people. I have spoken to black people personally who HATE the idea of the leftist politicians and media types claiming the looters and criminals are representative of black people in general. I don't suppose YOU have spoken to any black people, have you?

But what does any of this have to do with the CIA dealing with terrorists? BTW, the blacks I talked to approve of that also.

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DakotaT
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10% what? Slavery? Genocide?

Bringing your inane arguments to the present, you do know, the huge majority of Indians are now capitalistically successful Good Normal Americans, right? And literally ALL of the states with the largest Indian populations are now STRONGLY Republican. Blacks aren't quite there yet - maybe that's the 10% you're talking about - blacks voting for Republicans - at least that is up from 6% a while ago, and trust me, it will be increasing more and more and more at black people become more successful and good and normal Americans too. The days of your side keeping them down on the liberal plantation - SLAVES to the leftist agenda which is so contrary to the good moral beliefs of so many decent church-going pro-American black people. I have spoken to black people personally who HATE the idea of the leftist politicians and media types claiming the looters and criminals are representative of black people in general. I don't suppose YOU have spoken to any black people, have you?

But what does any of this have to do with the CIA dealing with terrorists? BTW, the blacks I talked to approve of that also.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Why do you and the rest of the heartless, always believe that there is a justification with evil deeds? For some reason, those deeds are now exonerated because people were strong enough to overcome unbearable acts perpetrated on them.

Justice for Bush and Cheney's war crimes would be public execution by guillotine. Justice for blacks would be class action law suits against the descendants of the plantation owners and completely gut them of their wealth. There will never be justice for the Native Americans.

The problem with people that think like you, Ray, is that you have zero compassion for people's suffering. You're a selfish man who thinks of his creature comforts over anything else. You have no respect for the sacrifices made by all walks of life that provided you the life of leisure you've led. You really do not have a conscience and that is pretty sad. What's worse is that these things can be pointed out to you, and you still don't give a fuck. At least Gunny goes on a bender, where he torments his own conscience about his appalling existence. You, just don't care.

DakotaT
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You know what? Last night I got water boarded. I did something I've been thinking about for a long time: I went out to the hot tub, leaned way back, had my wife put a towel over my face and pour water on it - not even just any water, but 104 degree hot tub water. Hell Yeah, it was uncomfortable! But I held my breath and counted - I got to thousand 54 before I terminated the procedure. I was coughing and snorting for a few seconds, but it really wasn't anything all that significant at all. I suppose the detractors of water boarding bad guys would say the real scariness is not knowing or having control of it ending, but hell, if you can't trust the CIA, who can you trust hahahaha?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Maybe one day that poor little girl you hold captive will be successful in her murder attempt. I'll testify to the mental cruelty she's endured. hahahahaha

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