Porforis
10 years ago

Anybody can be a gunner.

Not anybody can be the best returner in the history of the game.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Anybody can be a returner.

Not anybody can be the best gunner in the history of the game.

Not saying Bush is, just highlighting the ridiculousness of the comparison you're making.
Porforis
10 years ago

I'd rather have a great cover guy than a great return guy.

Hester has 19 return TDs (14 on punts) in 9 years. Say its 3 in a typical year. That's 21 points.

A great cover guy can probably mean 8-10 extra yards per series the opposing offense has to go. That's almost an extra first down per drive. I'd rather have someone who could do that even once a game, than someone who can guarantee 3 TDs per year.

And my guess is Bush is good enough that it's more like 2-3 times a game that opponents have to get an extra first down per drive. -- doesn't he cover kickoffs, too?

I'd take Bush over Hester.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



And I guess since I'm making enemies today, what about the good returns Hester has made that gives the offense a shorter field to go and makes it easier to score?

Ultimately I think this is a pointless debate. Two sides of the same coin. Hester's more historically significant. Both are mediocre outside of special teams. Both are important players.
nerdmann
10 years ago

And I guess since I'm making enemies today, what about the good returns Hester has made that gives the offense a shorter field to go and makes it easier to score?

Ultimately I think this is a pointless debate. Two sides of the same coin. Hester's more historically significant. Both are mediocre outside of special teams. Both are important players.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Exactly. You're not looking for your PR to take it to the house every time. You're looking for him to 1: field the ball cleanly and 2: improve your field position.

In a gunner, you're looking for a guy who has speed to cover a punt, but isn't so valuable at an actual position that you're worried about risking him on punt coverage.
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DakotaT
10 years ago
Nerdman, this is your sensai, STFU - you are losing this argument. Now report to the line and give me a hundred pushups on your knuckles. LOL

I have been very critical of "nine lives" Jarrett Bush making the team year after year, but he clearly belongs on this team. And he will always have that pick in the Super Bowl as the feather in his cap. Glad he's been a Packer all these years.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Nerdman, this is your sensai, STFU - you are losing this argument. Now report to the line and give me a hundred pushups on your knuckles. LOL

I have been very critical of "nine lives" Jarrett Bush making the team year after year, but he clearly belongs on this team. And he will always have that pick in the Super Bowl as the feather in his cap. Glad he's been a Packer all these years.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



That INT makes up for the fumble in the '07 NFCCG, that he did NOT fall upon.

Dude's getting old too. Starting to miss time.
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