The primary point of this discussion is that parents should be spending those first five years raising their children, not child care centers. The tax break thing was my concession that I am willing to make for those MARRIED couples who need a small break to get by. Notice the MARRIED couples and realize that implication.

The neighborhood you are talking about is what I am looking to move into next year at the earliest. Something I can set up shop for a decade or so until all my girls are moved out. Then I'm going to build myself a small shack with a full bathroom and garage on a tiny piece of land that has high speed internet and fall off the gird.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

The kids are treated just fine in day care. Impressively so, imo. Hell, I wish I got to go to daycare! ...At least the version from the YMCA presented to us. VERY impressive!

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

Just fine huh? Who thinks 'just fine' is acceptable? Work 40+ hours a week so you can pay someone else to raise your kids while 60-70% of your net income goes towards the cost of child care. Slap a bandaid on it and call it a day right? Why find the root of the issue? Forget that, I mean JUST FINE is acceptable, right? Oh, wait, I know! The answer is RAISING MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Treated just fine, what a load.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Dakota has a high paying job. He just told us he's making 3500 this week. Maybe he should take his 3500 and go to the park and hand it out to the stay at home moms.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

Dumbass, when the twins were born - Julie quit her job and took in a few more kids, we qualified for food stamps, because I had a shitty paying State job.

And as for your little shot - I can't hang out in the park, I HAVE TO WORK. Besides, I pay my taxes without bitching. I just wish I mark a box on the 1040 that says - send these funds to anything other than the War Machine.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Just fine huh? Who thinks 'just fine' is acceptable? Work 40+ hours a week so you can pay someone else to raise your kids while 60-70% of your net income goes towards the cost of child care. Slap a bandaid on it and call it a day right? Why find the root of the issue? Forget that, I mean JUST FINE is acceptable, right? Oh, wait, I know! The answer is RAISING MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Treated just fine, what a load.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

You are such a girl, I affected your sensibilities. I guess you can now pay back the money taken for the food stamps.

If I ever see that box you speak of, I'll be in front of you putting the x on it. Just be aware- These crazy bastards all over this world would scare the crap out of you, if you knew them. You don't have to know them.

You can call the ghostbusters if shit hits the fan. The reason you got higher gas prices than what you'd like is because of refining and transportation, fool. Your state refines oil into shit you can't use. They are building 2 new refineries, which is excellent, if you look at the history of refineries in this country, but you can't use them, either.

You should know that, turbine builder. What? do they let let you put in the big bolts to hold the gears? What tragedy is your education?

Impress your wife back in N Dakota. Come here with facts to impress me. Oh, and let me know what college you drank/ skated through if any so I can NOT send my grandchildren there. You want to be an asshole? I can work with that.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

Keep your pecker in your pocket if you can't raise a kid, I always say. If you are paranoid, I recommend you listen to those older and wiser.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf